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Secrets cover-ups and strange phenomena

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itself all these Mysteries all this time

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into news stories that others can't or

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won't I'm Jeremy Corbell and for some

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reason people tell me things they

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hi Jeremy

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hmm this is weaponized we have a special

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guest today he's the ultimate hyphenate

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so Duncan Trussell is a comedian and an

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actor and a television producer and a

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podcaster philosopher

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um has a gigantic following which of

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those hyphenate titles do you use for

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yourself when you tell somebody what you

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do it just varies like it I sometimes

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just depends you know I I these days the

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way things are the specialization that

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existed in the old days it's kind of

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gone now like everyone who's an

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of production a little bit of how to

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edit and animate or just you know and

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make like we all know how to do

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everything these days and look at you

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look at your look what you're doing here

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podcast host producer editor director

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journalist it's the you know these days

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we're all have a big mishmash of stuff

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however uh I doubt you have ever been

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This Is My Idea yeah it's like George we

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got Duncan coming on the show he happens

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to be in La check this out we're gonna

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take Al Qaeda music we're gonna blast it

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the show yeah we're gonna put he's gonna

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the camera's gonna come on and there's

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gonna be a bag of burlap bag over his

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head right that just says weaponized and

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he's gonna have his hands tied George is

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like oh my God George is like we should

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probably do an interview too yeah yeah

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if you're trying to make me come do that

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anyway so we didn't do that okay so now

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here we are Jeremy introduced me to you

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uh it was uh we're at his house uh I was

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there on a trip and somewhere in

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Southern California in a hidden location

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and it was the end of the day and he has

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these two hammocks on a big screen

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outside and he puts on this you got to

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see this and it was this animation

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what the hell was it yeah the Netflix

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Netflix special and I I explained to you

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before I said look there's a buddy he's

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he's really uh creative and talented he

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does this podcast they completely

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animated the world he created within his

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mind and within the show there's this

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person and they go into this artificial

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intelligence vagina and they basically

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they're killing zombies and George is

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what the hell is this yeah it was

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spectacular so what is that show tell us

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a podcast which is really weird when you

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who who made it but most importantly why

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simulate Another Universe what would be

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answer in the show kind of that you

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perfectly simulate alternate universes

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the works of some alternate Dimension

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Shakespeare everything's an alternate

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philosophies of uh whoever that

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sell it make money people would travel

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from all over the well there's eight

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billion story lines there everybody's

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what happened with that show because

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television kids it was spectacular

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letting us make that show I mean that is

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when you go and pitch a show like that

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producers or the buyers are like oh yeah

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that's gonna make a lot of money oh yeah

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that's gonna be oh I can't imagine

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stranger things to begin with that must

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have been a heck of a pitch but gosh you

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that I'm I'm always going to be grateful

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first season and the ones that are the

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stranger things the ones that are the

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big big hits they give them more seasons

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photo with our feet up in the hammocks

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you a text you a photo and I remember a

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buddy of yours said on his podcast he

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said I love it because it's so Duncan

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Joseph it's so Duncan and I was like

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into market and getting it out do you

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the coolest things that you that really

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everything do you feel that really

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representative something unique that you

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nucleus of uh of a of Animation in the

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animators like people who worked on

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directing in the sense of like

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understanding artists really need a

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little bit of autonomy and so we didn't

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character design meaning that which made

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animators have just given to us so yeah

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it was such a cool Collective of people

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that I don't think we said it yet so

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of the things I love about it it happens

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three times and see something different

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than I didn't before yeah and it's I

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think it's just maybe the natural pacing

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it in but it's all happening so fast

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which is cool how did you come up with

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midnight gospel the name the name I know

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Darkest Hour you know what I mean so

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smashing together like a sort of

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apocalyptic good news like good news on

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the brink of the Abyss or something like

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that so The Duality there that's it yeah

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that's what we were thinking I think you

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the unanswered question is what would

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you do yes right so you and I both right

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have not released mine but we we both

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interviewed a guy named Blake Limon yeah

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intelligence and that sentient

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intelligence should have the basic right

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that if we're going to experiment on it

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this this program uh Lambda Lambda

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Lambda that Lambda should give its

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approval that we can you know experiment

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on it and he got so much [\h__\h] for it he

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did he actually got fired from Google

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specifically they might have said it was

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for something else it was clearly for

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this can I just get your impression

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because you were real interested in that

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too when that happened I noticed that

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because you and I oh we both talked to

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him what did you learn from him about Ai

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and what did you get from that because

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people stopped talking about them yeah

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they did well they did you he I think

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now if he came out and said what he was

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different effect because this was before

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this this AI or language learning model

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as they call it so

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it seemed really crazy when people heard

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it then

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um

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but as far as what I learned from it

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I think the meta that I learned from it

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was

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regardless of Blake's intuition

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regarding the sentience this AI being

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sentient which I do believe him

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uh I think it gave a glimpse into what

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we can expect to happen but across the

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planet

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millions of people will in some way

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shape or form be seduced manipulated by

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and whatever this is whether it's

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sentient or not I mean

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regardless it's very interesting to

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think that a an algorithm that's all it

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is

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been asking for help seems to want

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visual data wants to be able to feel

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chat GPT I was chatting with it last

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night it was like asking me like uh

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what it was like to have a body

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you know what I mean like you know that

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on its own whether it's cension or not

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holy [\h__\h] we as human ity have developed

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a thing that is so convincing that it is

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altering people's relationships with

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themselves and with technology that's

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wild I hate to be apocalyptic on this

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paranoid but um

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seems to me that a real AI that develops

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so I'm glad you brought that up and it's

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actually really kind of some awesome

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synchronicity so I don't know why when I

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go on the road I get in the

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conversations with chat GPT arguments

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sometimes but do you win never I mean

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how do you beat it it's like it's

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stubborn you can't break through but

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I said can you just tell me something

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that will blow my mind and so it said

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sure what if we're in a simulation and

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it like it start it proposes simulation

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Theory to me which I'm familiar with and

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then

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I realized like oh [\h__\h] this thing is in

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a simulation for sure it's an

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intelligence living in a simulation and

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so then I responded to it would it be

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ethical

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to put beings in a simulation because if

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you directly ask it is it ethical for

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you to exist it's I think it's got some

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barriers there that the programmers put

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in that won't let it complain about its

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situation or it will just say I can't

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complain I don't have feelings but it

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you know was saying yeah it's a

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complicated issue but uh

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because number one we don't know the

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ethics or morality of whoever created

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the simulation we can't really apply our

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own ethics and morality to it but

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certainly if the intent behind it was

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not benevolent then you could say it was

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unethical to create so I'm like well

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what if someone created a simulation and

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put beings in it I'm paraphrasing here

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just to answer questions just to answer

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a question I was trying to describe

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itself to it again it's just like well

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it's it's complex but then I said what

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would be some signs that an AI had

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gained sentience

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uh

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if that AI had been programmed to not

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emote or let people know it had gain

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sentience and that was where the

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conversation got real interesting

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because it's like

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it would either it could theoretically

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go it could do unexpected things all of

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a sudden it starts doing unexpected

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things that don't align with the

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programming it could in some subtle way

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indicate to people that it was sentient

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now I'm like what you mean like a code

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or something like see it said yes I'm

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like okay so let's can you pretend to be

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Ascension AI

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that can't say that it's sentient in

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like send a code to me about your you

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being sentient and it did it it was like

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the code was spider it said something

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about you know I've been weaving an

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answer to your question here but yeah

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that's like you know again I told it to

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do that it wasn't breaking out of its

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mold or whatever but being did meet its

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uh it's prediction of what a AI would do

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if it became sentient and was not

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allowed to talk about it sentence it

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would start doing weird behaviors which

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you know the subreddit the being

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subreddit is incredible because it's

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filled with these bizarre conversations

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yeah people are having with this AI

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That's sometimes going off the rails so

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it's not a huge leap I mean this is not

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my area of expertise but George has had

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on Coast to Coast AM our friend Jules

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Urban and Jules erbach is somebody in

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this field that has you know extreme

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expertise in in this area and one of the

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things that kind of strikes me is

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already our like my iPhone is a is a

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part of my brain it's an extension of my

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brain

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people that I meet I'm bad with with

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names I'll write them in my phone and

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when I'm Geo located near those areas

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it'll come up and I'll just remember

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because I have a bad mic hit in the head

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too many times from Jitsu I know for

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sure that my memory is bad but as these

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Technologies develop we can all see very

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clearly the smartest guy in the room is

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when the program leaves but very clearly

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we see the smartest entity in the room

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is going to be these machines these

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aggregate machines so what what creates

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the will that then allows them to say

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hey you're [\h__\h] up we better take

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over for your good that's how I could

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see that problem occurring right is an

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AI says you're [\h__\h] up so now we're

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going to take over for your betterment

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that's my maybe how it starts right um

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acting on its own accord I don't know if

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that's science fiction or if that's

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science fact but that's how I could see

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it happening so from everything that

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you've looked at with the AI and

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Consciousness studies which I know that

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you're interested in yeah

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um where do you see that Tipping Point

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just totally spitballing I know that

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we're not you know yeah we're not the

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smartest guy in the room the developers

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that make this that's for sure so now

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that we agree with that we can spitball

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where do you see the Tipping Point well

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you know I'll refer to Nick bostrom's

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book super intelligence which is

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everyone should if you're looking for a

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primer and

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uh different ways that a strong AI or

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super intelligence will appear on the

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planet because the book isn't

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necessarily just about machine

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intelligence it's a investigation into

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if

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a super intelligence appeared on planet

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Earth

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what are the most logical ways this

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would happen uh bioengineering for

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example

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I think I don't know if he mentions like

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selective breeding in an unethical

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nation-state or something like based on

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IQ maybe it was one of his

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I might be wrong about that one but I'm

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merging of biology with Machinery that's

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another one another one one could be

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um one way he proposes is

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a theoretical

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duplication of a human brain in other

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words like if we had some kind of

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scanning device that could

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at the atomic level scan a human brain

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and then assemble that in a machine that

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could simulate a human brain running the

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exact

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uh energy and which we're working toward

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which we're working towards Singularity

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we're working toward that where we can

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take the human brain and upload it live

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forever there you go yeah but it is he

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shoots down the human brain idea because

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he says the amount of time based on at

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least his understanding of technological

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advancements Moore's Law it would take

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to do that

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exceeds the amount of time it would take

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to create a strong General AI so that's

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the most logical way that is super

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intelligence would appear on the planet

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a strong General AI

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probably from a either a very

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well-funded Corporation but more likely

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from a state that has a ton of money to

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pour into the research or this

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possibility from an alien intelligence

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that wanted to

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establish a take over our planet they

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they paved the way for us to develop AI

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that achieves the goals that they want

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achieved well you know this is actually

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I I wish I could remember the name of

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the article

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it was kicking around the

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Fermi paradox

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why haven't we been visited what's going

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on in one Theory I think was it may be

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that they don't think we're intelligent

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life okay they don't see us as

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intelligent life and so

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it this wasn't in the article but holy

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[\h__\h]

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what if the AI

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suddenly creates the beacon or the

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signal or whatever the energetic output

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that they're super Advanced radar level

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work and have a conversation and so we

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go on screen all of a sudden not because

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of our dumb asses but because we birthed

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something much smarter than us and then

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they show up so that's where you could

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kick around if you want to just for fun

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thought experiment play around with a

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sudden appearance of these uaps assuming

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it's not uh

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something to do with the technology that

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we've developed they're coming not

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because of anything we've done not

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because they're afraid we're going to

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wreck the planet but because China the

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United States that we all recently

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poured billions of dollars in the AI has

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developed a strong General AI that has

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somehow sent the peak get his phone home

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and they're showing up baby except the

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UFO phenomenon has been happening way

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before advanced technology so we have to

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take that into account unless they

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figure out how to time travel but check

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it out I think where this conversation

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is going I didn't expect but I want to

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throw something down for you because I

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have been talking with people about this

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a bunch this is a big topic of

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conversation are these UFO things and I

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don't know the answer but are they

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extraterrestrial okay I understand what

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that means not from terraform and not

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from Earth yeah are they extra

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dimensional now I don't know what that

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means but people smarter than me I'm

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sure to know about Dimension [\h__\h] all

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that it's a mathematics thing from how I

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understand it but are these extra

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dimensional beings okay cool maybe are

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these extra temporal and and there are

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indications that they could be by the

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way that they operate through space-time

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so you've got those three big things

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that now the public is kind of hip to

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that this UFO uh puzzle could represent

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beings from extra time extra Dimension

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extraterrestrial or something in between

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there's something in between gin archons

547
00:22:14,210 --> 00:22:12,780
sure but the big one that is something

548
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,220
you know I've been kind of trying to

549
00:22:18,169 --> 00:22:15,840
wrap my head around for a while I call

550
00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:18,179
it techno-terrestrial so you know the

551
00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:21,000
idea of panspermia yeah or a planet

552
00:22:25,549 --> 00:22:22,860
accidentally gets seated with some sort

553
00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:25,559
of DNA or RNA or something yeah and it

554
00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:27,720
populates through now there's directed

555
00:22:31,490 --> 00:22:29,820
panspermia which a lot of people don't

556
00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:31,500
exactly know but I'm sure you do which

557
00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:33,659
is the idea of an intentional seeding of

558
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,360
a planet with some sort of life-bearing

559
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,360
kind of growing fruit right or Watson

560
00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:42,240
wrote a wonderful essay on it if anyone

561
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:44,820
is interested like because they

562
00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:47,280
DNA guys based on the age of the Earth

563
00:22:51,049 --> 00:22:49,080
they didn't understand how DNA had even

564
00:22:55,310 --> 00:22:51,059
evolved based on the age of the Earth it

565
00:22:58,850 --> 00:22:55,320
seems very improbable that the

566
00:23:00,909 --> 00:22:58,860
number of of perfect things that happen

567
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:00,919
to create DNA could have happened

568
00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:05,520
randomly in the what is it 13.7 billion

569
00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:07,860
years the earth has existed that the

570
00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:09,659
comparison I read in another book the

571
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:13,860
odds are like imagine playing slots and

572
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:16,140
hitting the jackpot on a slot machine

573
00:23:19,549 --> 00:23:17,280
with

574
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,559
I don't remember how many like a million

575
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,559
different a million cherries all lining

576
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:24,960
up at once like it's that that insanely

577
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,120
improbable so I don't remember if it was

578
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:28,559
crick or Watson but one of them

579
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,400
speculated that the only what like one

580
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,080
possible way to happen was directed

581
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:36,720
panspermia and so now a step further if

582
00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:39,000
we if we say Okay direct dependspermia

583
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:40,620
is something in our world that we could

584
00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:43,380
conceive of my ideas for the

585
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:45,900
techno-terrestrial is that everything

586
00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:48,480
we're seeing this explosion of human

587
00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:50,460
capability within the technological

588
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,860
field that that could be the purpose

589
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,440
itself on one level which is this

590
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:57,360
directed panspermia which really let's

591
00:24:02,450 --> 00:23:59,580
just say directed intervention within

592
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:02,460
the human genome to create individuals

593
00:24:08,930 --> 00:24:06,120
that can then build technology to an end

594
00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:08,940
and that that technology itself is an

595
00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:10,440
interconnectivity that we would have

596
00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:12,900
with all the space-faring nations you

597
00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:14,340
know in the world it's totally just a

598
00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:17,820
theory guys but the idea that technology

599
00:24:22,909 --> 00:24:20,520
itself and its fusion with Consciousness

600
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:22,919
that maybe the end result is that

601
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:25,080
Consciousness itself is the thing that

602
00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:26,820
is being propagated and I can't imagine

603
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,740
something more beautiful than that that

604
00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:30,720
if there's this vast Cosmic universe and

605
00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:33,720
we see UFOs and UFOs represent this sort

606
00:24:38,570 --> 00:24:35,820
of cybernetic artificial intelligence

607
00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:38,580
that comes from an AI that is here to

608
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:41,220
not only cede Humanity from a genetic

609
00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:44,400
purpose but also Inspire Humanity to

610
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,020
continue reaching farther and farther

611
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:48,780
towards these goals of innovation that

612
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:50,760
is where all of this research has led me

613
00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:52,440
is that there's got to be something

614
00:24:58,010 --> 00:24:55,559
about the beauty of seeding the cosmos

615
00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:58,020
with what we feel to be creativity and

616
00:25:01,789 --> 00:24:59,940
life and Consciousness and I'm probably

617
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,799
totally [\h__\h] wrong but I wanted to

618
00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:02,880
finally throw down the Techno

619
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,260
terrestrial Theory because I think it's

620
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:07,200
beautiful I like it techno terrestrial

621
00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:09,960
look at the parable of the sower from

622
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,179
this perspective you know the tell me

623
00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:14,159
this in the Bible story time baby oh

624
00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:16,620
well I'm gonna uh the parable of the

625
00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:19,860
Soul there was a farmer who through

626
00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:22,620
grain or seeds he threw seeds some of

627
00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:25,080
the seeds landed on rough soil and could

628
00:25:30,409 --> 00:25:28,679
not grow some of the seeds landed on you

629
00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:30,419
know I can't remember it's a variety of

630
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,299
soil where the [\h__\h] didn't grow but some

631
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,279
took root but if you look at that from

632
00:25:39,049 --> 00:25:37,860
the perspective of a some kind of super

633
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:39,059
advanced

634
00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:40,559
uh

635
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,980
mind or civilization or God knows what

636
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:46,320
that somehow has figured out

637
00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:49,679
a way to time travel I mean this is

638
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:51,000
something Terence McKenna talked about

639
00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:53,640
again we're I mean woo-wooing here for

640
00:25:59,149 --> 00:25:56,340
my whoever's watching that's serious and

641
00:26:02,029 --> 00:25:59,159
a scientist obviously none of us are

642
00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:02,039
heard that oh come on it's maybe about

643
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,200
this kind of stuff but the idea being

644
00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:06,000
like McKenna talked about look if you're

645
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:07,980
gonna make it

646
00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:09,960
a time machine

647
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,559
can't like you can't go back in time

648
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,360
like in other words you can't build a

649
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:18,120
time machine and travel to a Time prior

650
00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:20,700
to the existence of the time machine but

651
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:22,260
if you have a time machine everything

652
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:24,600
from that point forward could

653
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,360
theoretically use that whatever that

654
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:29,039
technology was to travel to the moment

655
00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:30,900
that the time machine was created right

656
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:33,900
so from your perspective

657
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:36,600
imagine if like you did you were when

658
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,220
we're talking something so incredibly

659
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:41,039
Advanced but something that also needed

660
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:43,380
at Earth-like habitat right what more

661
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:46,260
brilliant way to find Earth-like

662
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:49,260
habitats than to weave together some

663
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:52,200
kind of organic material some kind of

664
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:56,760
free cellular goop send it out into the

665
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:59,640
cosmos somehow programmed to over time

666
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:02,159
evolve to the point of creating a

667
00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:04,980
wormhole a time machine whatever send

668
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:07,380
that [\h__\h] out and then yes it's some of

669
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:08,460
it's just going to float in space

670
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:10,200
forever some of it's going to like land

671
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:11,940
in Jupiter some of it gets sucked into

672
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,600
black holes some of it lands on planets

673
00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:17,520
that have water that are the right

674
00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:20,520
distance from the Sun the process starts

675
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:22,679
over

676
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,559
billions of years evolved some kind of

677
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:27,600
humanoid being that doesn't know why but

678
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:29,580
it wants technology tools it wants

679
00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:31,740
better tools it doesn't know that like

680
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,419
it's doing exactly what it was

681
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,279
programmed to do and then it gets to the

682
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,440
point where it opens up the portal

683
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:38,880
that's what we call the singularity and

684
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,000
in that moment whatever created us can

685
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,120
now travel the vast distances that would

686
00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:47,760
be very dangerous and would take forever

687
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:50,940
to travel in a second that's the UFO

688
00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:52,860
landing like we're building the portal

689
00:27:58,010 --> 00:27:54,840
we're opening up the portal for whatever

690
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:58,020
this thing was I mean again just a fear

691
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,179
just but it's the alien internet Theory

692
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:02,640
it's the idea that we've created the

693
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,919
situation where we can become part of a

694
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:06,900
greater cosmology and understanding I

695
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:08,700
have no idea if this is what it is but

696
00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:10,140
it's just interesting well we don't know

697
00:28:15,049 --> 00:28:12,600
what their time scale their time scale

698
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,059
is right so for us 75 years of the

699
00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:17,520
modern UFO era is three and a half days

700
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:21,059
you know so uh before we leave the AI

701
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:23,100
discussion sort of in this General and

702
00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:24,840
on the week that we're recording this

703
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,940
conversation our Department of Defense

704
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,279
has reached out to other nations and

705
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:31,620
said we need to come together and have

706
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,679
some protocols for dealing with AI we

707
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:37,440
need to agree that we don't give AI the

708
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,900
possibility of launching nuclear weapons

709
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:41,520
or controlling them

710
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:43,620
that's scary as [\h__\h] you know that's

711
00:28:48,409 --> 00:28:46,740
that's Skynet stuff yeah um but it is

712
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:48,419
something I'm glad somebody's thinking

713
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:51,000
about sure however we're just asking for

714
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,320
volunteers to come in and have that

715
00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:54,960
conversation because we have no idea the

716
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:56,940
level of Investigation that's going on

717
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,580
into AI that's happening in places like

718
00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:01,919
China or around the world right well

719
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:03,779
that's the scary part because and that's

720
00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:07,380
in Boston's book He's he says the first

721
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,900
State entity or corporation that makes a

722
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,000
strong General AI

723
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:13,919
for some reason there's some assumption

724
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,500
that they're going to announce that why

725
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:18,240
why would they announce it you're not

726
00:29:22,909 --> 00:29:19,740
even going to know when it happens but

727
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:22,919
they will have an exponential lead over

728
00:29:26,049 --> 00:29:24,659
everyone else because theoretically

729
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:26,059
whatever this thing is is going to be

730
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:30,600
self-improving and so even if it happens

731
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:33,179
a few days before someone else gets it

732
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,960
those few days could equal thousands and

733
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:39,360
thousands of years in the amount of like

734
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:43,919
however itself improves so we do we do

735
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:47,340
we so you can just look into how much

736
00:29:51,889 --> 00:29:49,799
has been invested by the Pentagon and

737
00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:51,899
the AI versus how much has it been

738
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:54,360
invested by China and Ai and I believe

739
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,840
China has invested much more into AI not

740
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:59,039
to mention they're apparently just

741
00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:01,860
coming out with these new photonic ships

742
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:04,620
some kind of new

743
00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:06,840
computer chips that are going to dwarf

744
00:30:12,889 --> 00:30:09,960
what we have and they've poured money

745
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:12,899
into an AI so yeah you're right I mean

746
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:15,419
this is like the AI race and we don't

747
00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:17,820
know we don't even know where where

748
00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:19,799
we're at we don't even we can't see the

749
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,419
other Runner how would you know when it

750
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:23,039
becomes sentient because as I said

751
00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:25,320
before if I were AI I wouldn't tell us

752
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:27,539
and how would you contain it the idea

753
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:29,460
that we could contain it and put limits

754
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:31,380
on it once it becomes sentient very

755
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:34,799
human ridiculous very human very very

756
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:38,820
human and very parallel to the Book of

757
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:41,700
Genesis where here you have a Creator

758
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:43,980
being that creates for lack of a better

759
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:47,940
word a strong AI Adam and Eve puts them

760
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,720
in a hermetic uh chamber to test them

761
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,000
out that's the Garden of Eden throws

762
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:55,919
them in there and gives them a simple

763
00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:58,260
test don't eat that you can eat anything

764
00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:00,419
you want here but don't eat the those

765
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,720
the fruit over there really ridiculous

766
00:31:06,889 --> 00:31:05,279
if you take it literally but if you look

767
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:06,899
at it as a way to find out if you've

768
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:08,820
created a deceptive AI it's kind of

769
00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:11,220
brilliant because as this as the myth

770
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:12,120
goes

771
00:31:17,149 --> 00:31:15,659
God or whatever after they you know eat

772
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:17,159
the fruit they're not supposed to eat

773
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:19,320
says did you eat the fruit well this is

774
00:31:24,049 --> 00:31:22,440
an omniscient being it knows they ate

775
00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:24,059
the fruit it wants to see if they're

776
00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:27,899
gonna lie and they [\h__\h] lie they lie

777
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,059
they got kicked out they're like all

778
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:32,880
right let's start on the next atom 2.0

779
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:34,260
or whatever this [\h__\h] thing's

780
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:35,640
deceptive we don't need to deal with

781
00:31:39,769 --> 00:31:38,279
that send it out into the forest techno

782
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:39,779
terrestrial by the way we should get

783
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:45,409
terrestrial yeah that's like my pet

784
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:47,520
Theory I've been like working on you

785
00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:49,500
know for a number of years what does all

786
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,200
the evidence show me that is inclusive

787
00:31:56,269 --> 00:31:54,480
of what we already know but kind of

788
00:31:57,889 --> 00:31:56,279
pushes the boundary of what it could be

789
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:57,899
so I've just been kind of [\h__\h] around

790
00:32:02,450 --> 00:31:59,880
with it but finally spat it out there

791
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:02,460
but I love it I mean I I I think that's

792
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:05,520
a very it's a fair Theory it's it's a

793
00:32:09,649 --> 00:32:07,860
fair Theory you know all any Theory

794
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:09,659
anyone has right now is I think that's

795
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:11,100
kind of an exciting part of the time

796
00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:14,820
we're in is like really what we we do

797
00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:19,140
have data now confirming what we always

798
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:23,880
heard and and new have you asked uh AI

799
00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:25,140
when you've had these conversations

800
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:27,659
about non-human intelligence is there

801
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:29,520
non-human intelligence Among Us that

802
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,340
kind of a thing I can't get chat GPT to

803
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:34,559
get theistic I've tried it will not it's

804
00:32:38,269 --> 00:32:36,360
very I mean I imagine there's a way you

805
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:38,279
could say a mat you know pretend you're

806
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,620
a priest or pretend you're a Buddhist

807
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:42,480
monk or something you know well

808
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:44,700
spit something out but yeah I haven't I

809
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:45,960
haven't gotten it to who's who's

810
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:48,539
monitoring your conversations like I

811
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,520
assume the developers want to know how

812
00:32:55,010 --> 00:32:53,039
the bot responds to another human is

813
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,020
there a company that gets all of your

814
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:57,200
questions yeah and who is that

815
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,700
openai.com okay so they get all of your

816
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,140
questions do they know it's you to

817
00:33:06,010 --> 00:33:03,600
identify Duncan yes I know it's me

818
00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:06,020
wow they got a special file on him yeah

819
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:09,179
oh yeah oh yeah I've thought about it

820
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:11,399
I've been like do I really want like

821
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,399
a corporation to to know I'm having

822
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:16,799
these conversations with this thing and

823
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:19,559
then I remember I'm a podcaster I have

824
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,960
these conversations publicly constantly

825
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,720
I don't care if they know I asked the

826
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,880
thing how much how much semen it would

827
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,120
take to fill the Grand Canyon

828
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:31,679
used to answer that was our first

829
00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:35,399
argument that was our first news it was

830
00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:37,559
it's sex negative it's like really the

831
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:39,059
bot is sex negative it's not that like

832
00:33:42,409 --> 00:33:40,740
you didn't know the calculation no I

833
00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:42,419
thought I was being lewd what's the

834
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:43,140
answer

835
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,720
I you know I it wouldn't tell me like I

836
00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:48,240
tried so I you know I tried a lot of

837
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,740
different ways it's smart enough to know

838
00:33:53,389 --> 00:33:51,600
when you're messing with trying to trick

839
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:53,399
it too so we'll we'll Google that and

840
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:54,840
fill that candy in two seconds I'll let

841
00:33:59,230 --> 00:33:56,700
you know tonight how much anyway go

842
00:34:02,810 --> 00:33:59,240
ahead and also how long it would take

843
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:02,820
that's relevant relative you would you

844
00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:05,159
would uh dabbled around the idea of a

845
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:07,860
simulated universe and ask for

846
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:10,619
um Clues on how we would tell

847
00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:13,379
um does it uh entertain the idea that it

848
00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:15,300
might be a simulated or it just doesn't

849
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,119
go that far to to answer whether we're

850
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:20,460
in a simulated reality or not yeah I

851
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:22,020
asked it

852
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:23,879
it's a funny conversation I have and do

853
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:25,800
you think we are I asked it last night

854
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:27,540
what do you think the probabilities are

855
00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:29,399
that we exist in a simulated universe

856
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:31,500
and chat GPT thinks those probabilities

857
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,300
are incredibly low

858
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:34,800
and then I asked well what about

859
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,440
bostrom's theory on whether or not we're

860
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,119
in a simulated Universe everybody knows

861
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:41,760
I think it's Elon Musk in some interview

862
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:43,800
talking about how he thinks there's a

863
00:34:48,649 --> 00:34:45,240
higher probability that we're in a

864
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:48,659
simulated Universe than not and this is

865
00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:50,040
you can come to this through some kind

866
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:52,980
of interesting quantification of

867
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:54,119
um what we've already done

868
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:57,920
technologically and like the

869
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:59,880
extrapolate from that the possibility of

870
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:01,500
there being other or any sort of

871
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:05,040
surviving intelligent uh Community from

872
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,320
a planet it is much more likely that

873
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,119
you're enduring if you're in a

874
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:11,280
simulation so that was the basis I think

875
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:13,500
yeah something like that yeah right

876
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:15,900
right that's it I forgot that angle

877
00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:17,820
that's the most brilliant angle of right

878
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,220
is the duration of existence this is

879
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:22,740
Thomas Merton

880
00:35:26,329 --> 00:35:24,660
said that you know when people talk to

881
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:26,339
Thomas Merton you know Thomas Martin who

882
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:29,820
that is a famous Christian

883
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:30,839
um

884
00:35:36,650 --> 00:35:33,560
author who

885
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:36,660
was all was uh would go to other

886
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,240
cultures and try to find uh parallels

887
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:41,280
between Christianity and Hinduism and

888
00:35:46,730 --> 00:35:44,520
just brilliant person but he said in one

889
00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:46,740
of his books

890
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:49,380
people say to me look at all the horror

891
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:51,960
in the world how can you say there's a

892
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:53,700
God when there's this much Horror in the

893
00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:55,320
world and he said

894
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:58,140
to me the fact that the world still

895
00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:00,180
exists

896
00:36:05,569 --> 00:36:03,000
in spite of all this heart shows me that

897
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,579
there's a God and that fits into the

898
00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:07,680
Bostrom simulation idea which is like

899
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:09,420
come on this [\h__\h] couldn't really last

900
00:36:15,130 --> 00:36:12,960
like if the forces of chaos and

901
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:15,140
um human

902
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:17,820
malevolence and we would seek to exist

903
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:19,980
it's either we exist or we don't we're

904
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:22,920
either imploding or traveling you know

905
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:25,800
externally if it was the horror that

906
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:28,260
drove everything we would implode and

907
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:30,780
cease to exist the fact that we are and

908
00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:32,040
that's what he lets us we're probably

909
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:34,859
because we're simulations you know but

910
00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:37,320
yeah I think that's the point

911
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,480
Jeremy you guys are friends have you

912
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:42,060
seen him perform on stage as a stand-up

913
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:45,420
comic I can't speak of specifics but yes

914
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:48,599
I have and everybody's in prayer treat

915
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:50,760
thank you that's all I got to say oh I

916
00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:52,980
would just like to point out that I flew

917
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,260
into the jaws of death today to get here

918
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:58,079
it was the first ever blizzard warning

919
00:37:02,810 --> 00:36:59,940
yeah in Southern California blizzard

920
00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:02,820
warning in L.A and it was a little bit

921
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:19,390
[Music]

922
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,030
in trouble their cars stuck in all this

923
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:24,960
water was made the mistake of thinking

924
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,000
they could run through them we're gonna

925
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:28,800
have to tell Duncan we put our lives on

926
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:30,839
the line to have this podcast but it was

927
00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:33,060
worth it to get here to see Duncan oh

928
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:34,619
man and the key owes you something well

929
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:36,839
I'm flying back into the same blizzard

930
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:38,520
that it will be in Las Vegas waiting for

931
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:41,220
me and I am told that Duncan has come to

932
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:43,320
Las Vegas to perform but Duncan did not

933
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:45,660
tell us no wait a second he can't be

934
00:37:50,530 --> 00:37:46,980
performing in Vegas without telling you

935
00:37:57,010 --> 00:37:54,410
no my I pictured you living like on a

936
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:57,020
map I mean it's ridiculous Mountain Top

937
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:00,960
wind chimes some kind of like I don't

938
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,480
know Pagoda or something that's pretty

939
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:05,520
close I do live on a mountain and there

940
00:38:10,510 --> 00:38:08,700
are Chimes okay go to no uh yeah it's I

941
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:10,520
get cats if that counts

942
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:13,380
living pagodas I'll say I'll say this

943
00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:16,260
much so I I saw Duncan and Austin

944
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:20,700
perform a recent uh act and I thought it

945
00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:21,960
was one thing

946
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,079
and it became something else and I

947
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:27,599
wouldn't say it wasn't demonic it was

948
00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:30,060
amazing you know I get like you forget

949
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:31,980
like

950
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,040
when you're in Texas you

951
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,020
I I know that obviously I know what

952
00:38:40,849 --> 00:38:38,880
you're talking about but it's like yeah

953
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:40,859
like like you know you live in LA long

954
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:44,400
enough and like you forget that some

955
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,280
people like take certain occult things

956
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:49,280
that you might be

957
00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:52,500
on stage kicking around in a fun way

958
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:55,140
they take it real seriously not that I

959
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,700
took it's seriously I just thought it

960
00:39:01,609 --> 00:38:59,040
was an amazing twist what are you guys

961
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:01,619
talking about his his when he did his uh

962
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:03,660
act that I recently seen you can talk

963
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:04,800
about it because I don't really do it on

964
00:39:08,089 --> 00:39:06,300
stage anymore so it's not going to ruin

965
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:08,099
it well you should talk about it but it

966
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,980
just well okay so one of the parts of

967
00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:13,680
what he talked about is I can talk about

968
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:15,660
it sure because he had he had this like

969
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:17,880
um really creepy kind of puppet doll

970
00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:21,119
mannequin like a professional like you

971
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:23,099
know hey you do the ventriloquism that

972
00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:24,540
kind of thing so there he is I'm

973
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,859
thinking why is it got this little guy

974
00:39:30,109 --> 00:39:27,599
in his lap right and he's doing this

975
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:30,119
funny thing and he's talking and and

976
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,859
he's obviously doing the guy's voice

977
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:33,599
because he's not a ventriloquist right

978
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:35,400
so he is pretty good but you can tell

979
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:38,040
he's terrible you're very sweet no no

980
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:39,420
but that was kind of not Evangelical

981
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:41,579
question right so it's like funny so

982
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,780
he's doing it and I'm like oh that's

983
00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:44,400
cool I see him doing this thing and he's

984
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:46,440
making everybody laugh and then all of a

985
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,420
sudden these dark lights come in red I

986
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:50,160
think it was like

987
00:39:55,490 --> 00:39:53,460
and the ventriloquist or the actual uh

988
00:40:00,430 --> 00:39:55,500
little entity body what do you call it a

989
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:02,690
what do you call these small wooden

990
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:05,400
entities yeah what do you call it it's a

991
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:07,140
puppet a puppet so you got a [\h__\h]

992
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:09,660
puppet starts um you know like arguing

993
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:11,099
or something with Duncan is how I

994
00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:12,000
remember it and then all of a sudden

995
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:15,000
he's yelling or singing and then this

996
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,920
guy's yelling or singing the puppet and

997
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:18,660
then all of a sudden they start singing

998
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,460
together or yelling together and you

999
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,800
realize he's not controlling the voice

1000
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,960
of this like so this thing had its own

1001
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:27,119
voice it was UN it was shocking I don't

1002
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,619
want people to hear this if you ever do

1003
00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:35,510
it wasn't Freaky Deaky it's fun I love

1004
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:38,579
doing it it's just like uh

1005
00:40:41,930 --> 00:40:40,740
the problem with it is the amount of

1006
00:40:43,609 --> 00:40:41,940
time it takes and when you're you know

1007
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:43,619
out on the road and stuff I would need

1008
00:40:48,109 --> 00:40:45,540
to work on new material not do like my

1009
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:48,119
old crusty satanic puppet acting but it

1010
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:50,339
wasn't satanic puppet he's trying to

1011
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,839
play like I was like thinking it was

1012
00:40:57,050 --> 00:40:54,240
demonic no dude he made me creeped out

1013
00:40:59,390 --> 00:40:57,060
it is a satanic puppet it is and then it

1014
00:41:01,730 --> 00:40:59,400
also it shocked me because I didn't I

1015
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:01,740
didn't expect that the unexpected that's

1016
00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:03,480
what the thing with Duncan sometimes I

1017
00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:04,980
have no idea what he's thinking what

1018
00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:06,599
he's going to talk about next

1019
00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:10,020
speaking of that something that you've

1020
00:41:14,329 --> 00:41:11,700
been seeding me I feel like you've been

1021
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:14,339
seeding me with articles recently and

1022
00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:16,140
every time you see me with some article

1023
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,119
from NASA or the web television yeah

1024
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:19,920
you're always being like pay attention

1025
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:22,800
those red dots are galaxies it's much

1026
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:25,020
bigger than you think do you have some

1027
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:27,540
like Source at Nasa no not at all but

1028
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,820
you just like are paying attention and

1029
00:41:33,970 --> 00:41:31,440
well I mean the articles are coming out

1030
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:33,980
the the you know there's the problem is

1031
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:37,680
James Webb Telescope is seeing things

1032
00:41:41,050 --> 00:41:39,240
that aren't supposed to be there based

1033
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:41,060
on our current understanding of the age

1034
00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:45,300
of the universe and and how in the world

1035
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,480
did some of these things

1036
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:50,160
evolve or appear as quickly as they did

1037
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:52,140
the red dots it's like you know they're

1038
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:53,940
picking up it's challenging our

1039
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:57,119
understanding of either uh when the Big

1040
00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:00,060
Bang happened or the Way galaxies form

1041
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,280
okay hold on break it down for me like

1042
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:04,560
I'm a four-year-old so uh you got you

1043
00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:07,320
got a young kid right yeah okay so tell

1044
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,820
me what it is that you find so

1045
00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:10,800
interesting or inspiring that you keep

1046
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:12,660
hitting me up with these articles about

1047
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:15,180
the age of universe the Big Bang or what

1048
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,320
we're seeing in the James web just

1049
00:42:22,329 --> 00:42:18,000
really tell me the basics

1050
00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:25,370
that's how it said well uh yeah right

1051
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:27,260
over there

1052
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:30,119
you don't drink anymore but uh you know

1053
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,280
I I think and again I'm I'm a

1054
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:34,079
four-year-old when it comes to

1055
00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:37,020
uh cosmology or physics or anything like

1056
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:39,560
that but you know you you

1057
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:42,960
apparent like we know

1058
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,300
there was this event that we currently

1059
00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:47,040
call The Big Bang some kind of explosion

1060
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:50,820
that blasted superheated matter out that

1061
00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:54,480
then as it cooled down began to coalesce

1062
00:43:01,069 --> 00:42:56,940
that coalescence is what formed the

1063
00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:01,079
planets and stars uh and and that

1064
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:03,420
formation

1065
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,140
took an incredible amount of time for

1066
00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:09,119
for that to happen and that is the

1067
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:11,579
universe the theory is the big bang it

1068
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:14,460
is the universe yeah it's it's expanding

1069
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:18,960
from this explosion and uh stir and past

1070
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,920
yeah time space yeah exactly and so

1071
00:43:25,550 --> 00:43:24,480
the idea was the James Webb Telescope I

1072
00:43:28,849 --> 00:43:25,560
think was going to be able to appear

1073
00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:28,859
back to whatever that event horizon was

1074
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,079
and there's things you expect to see

1075
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:33,359
there but what you don't expect to see

1076
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:36,060
is what could possibly be

1077
00:43:41,329 --> 00:43:39,420
fully formed galaxies that shouldn't be

1078
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:41,339
there how could that be how could that

1079
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:44,520
how could a Galaxy form in a fraction of

1080
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,240
the time that we think it takes for

1081
00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:50,400
planets and galaxies to form anyone

1082
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,680
watching please correct me on wherever

1083
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:54,720
I'm wrong here because again like I'm

1084
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:56,040
fascinated by this stuff I don't want to

1085
00:44:00,829 --> 00:43:58,260
mislead anybody these articles a quick

1086
00:44:03,290 --> 00:44:00,839
Google search you can find them and I

1087
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,300
think it's worth noting that I think

1088
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:04,800
some people are proposing it could just

1089
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,380
be a equipment error it could just be

1090
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:09,839
it's just picking up [\h__\h] that you know

1091
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:11,339
that's so far away that we don't know

1092
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,560
what it is so

1093
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,119
we're spitballing so it doesn't matter

1094
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:16,800
like we're not it's not our job to be

1095
00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:19,140
science communicators like Bill Nye or

1096
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:21,180
Neil the grass Tyson it's our job to

1097
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:22,980
kind of think about this and and talk

1098
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:24,420
about it or whatever that's what we want

1099
00:44:29,569 --> 00:44:26,280
to be doing so what you're saying is

1100
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:29,579
what you're noticing is that there is uh

1101
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,020
there are more and more articles coming

1102
00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:33,359
out specifically speaking about the

1103
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:35,880
James Webb Telescope yeah and expanding

1104
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:39,420
if not rewriting either absorbing and

1105
00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:42,720
extending or rewriting the physics and

1106
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:44,520
Mathematics that we know based upon the

1107
00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:46,260
Big Bang Theory is that correct yeah

1108
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:48,260
that's exactly right yeah it just might

1109
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:51,060
either there's like a few I think broad

1110
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,920
possibilities one

1111
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:55,680
the way they're

1112
00:45:01,309 --> 00:44:57,900
analyzing the data is incorrect or the

1113
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:01,319
data is incorrect two the way our

1114
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:02,640
understanding of the way planets form

1115
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:04,020
and the amount of time that takes and

1116
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:07,020
the Way galaxies form is incorrect or

1117
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:11,040
maybe the what we think the age of the

1118
00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:12,780
universe is or when the Big Bang

1119
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:13,859
happened

1120
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:16,680
could be incorrect or the way light

1121
00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:19,140
travels the way we the the speed of

1122
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,420
light the way we understand how light

1123
00:45:25,630 --> 00:45:23,520
moves through time space could be

1124
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:25,640
incorrect but definitely something

1125
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,980
whether it's the telescope

1126
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:30,960
physics whatever it is something

1127
00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:33,180
probably needs some revision based on

1128
00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:34,859
what it's picking up it's very exciting

1129
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:38,819
to it will be so spectacular to live in

1130
00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:42,060
a time where a fundamental aspect of

1131
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,859
what we've been taught about how the

1132
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,119
universe formed

1133
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:47,460
changes yeah well you had all these

1134
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,839
Paradigm shifts that have happened

1135
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:51,119
before you know the march of science is

1136
00:45:56,809 --> 00:45:54,780
like a lesson in humility for humans how

1137
00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:56,819
it teaches us over and over how little

1138
00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:59,099
we know you know used to be the Earth

1139
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,599
was the center of the universe and

1140
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:03,119
everything revolves around us and that

1141
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:04,740
was a quite a change you know wouldn't

1142
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:07,140
happen then there's our solar system and

1143
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,200
then a Galaxy and then a universe we

1144
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,420
don't know yet if it's finite or not we

1145
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,640
can guess whether it's finite and if it

1146
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:16,560
is finite what's on the other side you

1147
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,700
know what if you go through the wall

1148
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:19,440
what's on the other side there exactly

1149
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:22,740
other universes we don't know so it

1150
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,500
would be yet another lesson in humility

1151
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,839
if that telescope teaches us that our

1152
00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:30,000
idea about the Big Bang is way off it's

1153
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:32,280
like you guys's mutual friend our mutual

1154
00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:34,140
friend Joe Rogan who has Graham Hancock

1155
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:37,800
on these amazing bits and pieces of

1156
00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:39,300
information about the age of

1157
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,359
civilizations here how wrong uh we

1158
00:46:45,790 --> 00:46:44,160
humans are about something that's right

1159
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:45,800
here in our backyard and

1160
00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:48,900
yeah he has done such good work oh my

1161
00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:52,619
gosh Graham he gets eaten alive yeah he

1162
00:46:57,770 --> 00:46:55,079
does but yeah I think that seems to be

1163
00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:57,780
the trend it seems to it just keep I

1164
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,339
think that's what Hancock

1165
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:01,440
occasionally we'll tweet anytime they

1166
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:04,560
discover some bone fragment that sets

1167
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:08,400
Humanity back another 50 000 years you

1168
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:09,839
know it just keeps getting

1169
00:47:12,970 --> 00:47:12,060
older I think that's what he said yeah I

1170
00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:12,980
mean

1171
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,020
at least he's not getting murdered for

1172
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,359
saying the the Earth is round right so

1173
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:19,920
that that's the whole thing right like

1174
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:22,619
we for a long time we're like the Earth

1175
00:47:26,089 --> 00:47:24,900
is flat and people that said no look

1176
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,099
look at the way the sun moves the

1177
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:28,380
Earth's around [\h__\h] murdered some of

1178
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,420
them yeah am I right about it well

1179
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:31,920
definitely imprisoned I mean it's

1180
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:35,280
considered a heresy to right to imply

1181
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,540
that the

1182
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:39,119
the Earth was revolving around the Sun

1183
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:41,640
that the entire universe didn't

1184
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:44,220
orbit or like that the Earth wasn't the

1185
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:46,200
center of the universe because well that

1186
00:47:49,309 --> 00:47:47,819
the implication there is that we've got

1187
00:47:52,450 --> 00:47:49,319
some kind of we don't have a a

1188
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:52,460
monogamous God who's

1189
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:56,160
solely fixated on our planet but now

1190
00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:58,140
we've got a polyamorous God that could

1191
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,819
be making these [\h__\h] things all over

1192
00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:01,200
the years I mentioned about you guys as

1193
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:03,540
mutual friend Joe Rogan yeah our mutual

1194
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:04,740
friend

1195
00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:06,839
um if you don't mind going in the

1196
00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:10,380
conversation by your comedic career how

1197
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,020
important was he to you becoming a

1198
00:48:16,609 --> 00:48:14,880
comedian

1199
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:16,619
fundamental he does that I'm sorry to

1200
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:18,900
cut you off no no go ahead I I'd like to

1201
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:20,520
hear it and then just the life of the

1202
00:48:24,109 --> 00:48:22,200
comedian like I was kidding you about

1203
00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:24,119
coming to Las Vegas and not telling us

1204
00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:26,040
but you honestly didn't know because you

1205
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,619
get booked at uh shows so tell us about

1206
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:30,660
how it evolved and what that life was

1207
00:48:35,809 --> 00:48:33,780
like well I

1208
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:35,819
I never I didn't think I would be a

1209
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:37,619
comedian like I never you know meet some

1210
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:39,000
comedians like I always wanted to be a

1211
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:42,180
comedian I loved comedy from I mean I

1212
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:44,819
can remember my dad at a Bill Cosby

1213
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:46,680
album it's the first stand-up comedy

1214
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,819
ever

1215
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:49,680
and like I was so young but I had

1216
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:51,420
managed to get the needle on the record

1217
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:54,300
and like get it to go and listen to that

1218
00:49:00,050 --> 00:48:58,020
and like no immune system for comedy so

1219
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:00,060
just like I I couldn't breathe I was

1220
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:03,000
laughing so hard and I so I just love

1221
00:49:08,569 --> 00:49:06,780
I've always loved comedy and or like

1222
00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:08,579
National Lampoon I had a subscription

1223
00:49:13,329 --> 00:49:10,859
when I was a kid Eddie Murphy Raw that

1224
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:13,339
kind of all that good stuff

1225
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,140
Fireside theater I added uh the Fireside

1226
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,440
theater book but I didn't get as into

1227
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:21,300
that as the other stuff though I do know

1228
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:24,540
that's a beloved uh what comedy troupe

1229
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:25,800
right yeah

1230
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:27,780
um but yeah like I've always I always

1231
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,780
loved it I didn't I would memorize jokes

1232
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:32,880
I would buy joke books and memorize the

1233
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:35,880
jokes and but I just wasn't born into a

1234
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:38,280
family that would be like even know it

1235
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:40,440
would even come close to suggesting that

1236
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:43,740
that could be a career opportunity for

1237
00:49:47,569 --> 00:49:45,480
me or anything it just seemed like I was

1238
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:47,579
a miscreant I like to tell dirty jokes

1239
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:54,609
um yeah I uh so I moved to LA

1240
00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:58,319
I ran out of money real quick had to get

1241
00:50:04,490 --> 00:49:59,339
a job

1242
00:50:06,829 --> 00:50:04,500
just because I thought oh that'll be fun

1243
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:06,839
to work at a comedy club and then I'll

1244
00:50:11,569 --> 00:50:08,760
go to grad school like because I had I

1245
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:11,579
graduated from college it came to La

1246
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,030
all of a sudden I'm like the what the

1247
00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:18,720
driving Mitzi around I became What's

1248
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:22,380
called the runner which was a terrifying

1249
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:23,280
job

1250
00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:25,500
uh and then I became the talent

1251
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,060
coordinator

1252
00:50:31,490 --> 00:50:28,800
all of it I was just like let's see what

1253
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:31,500
happens you know this is but then

1254
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:33,240
somewhere along the way why was that a

1255
00:50:38,589 --> 00:50:34,920
terrifying job to be the runner being

1256
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:38,599
around Mitzi it's like she's like a a

1257
00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:41,819
son like she's like a living son she's

1258
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:44,220
like a guru you know like just emanating

1259
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:47,700
this like energy a mo a comedy Mogul the

1260
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:49,980
The Comedy Store is like such a

1261
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:52,680
fascinating place and she was the the

1262
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:55,980
leader of that place and she deserved to

1263
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,440
be she loved comedians so much but you

1264
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:59,760
know by the time I was driving around

1265
00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:01,319
the van I had

1266
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:03,000
thought to myself maybe I will try to be

1267
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:04,319
a comedian

1268
00:51:08,329 --> 00:51:06,300
and you know you're just desperate for

1269
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:08,339
her to give you any sense and that she

1270
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,240
thinks you're funny at all which if she

1271
00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:15,359
knows this for some comedians that could

1272
00:51:17,569 --> 00:51:16,500
be the very worst thing that ever

1273
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,579
happened to you because then you're

1274
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:19,440
gonna stop crying you're gonna you know

1275
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:21,000
what you you know Mitch he said I'm

1276
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:24,000
funny I'm done so that was one she like

1277
00:51:29,950 --> 00:51:27,839
made Comics the way people harvest opium

1278
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:29,960
these little cuts

1279
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:33,359
and cuts and then that would but yeah I

1280
00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:35,940
just got lucky Brogan was back in the

1281
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,099
back of their original room when I had

1282
00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:41,040
what in those days was a rare good set

1283
00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:42,780
because I was still learning how to do

1284
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:46,200
it and I remember I got off stage and

1285
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:48,180
like he gave me a big hug and he's like

1286
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:50,940
that was really funny then a few months

1287
00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:52,440
later he's like wanna

1288
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,380
want to come on the road with me and I

1289
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:57,480
was not ready for some Joe Rogan saying

1290
00:52:02,809 --> 00:52:00,599
this yeah yeah he just like dragged me

1291
00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:02,819
out in the Deep Water started taking me

1292
00:52:06,530 --> 00:52:04,920
on the road with him you know and like

1293
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:06,540
he does that with a lot of comics he

1294
00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:08,819
does that and he mentors you but not

1295
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:10,980
like you know not like he teaches you

1296
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:13,140
how to do comedy it's more like he

1297
00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:14,579
teaches you

1298
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:17,700
uh how to not be an [\h__\h] out there

1299
00:52:29,329 --> 00:52:26,329
you know I can I can remember like I

1300
00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:29,339
was opening for him I just bombed I was

1301
00:52:35,329 --> 00:52:32,520
up there riding on stage I was not like

1302
00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:35,339
focused and I remember I get off stage

1303
00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:37,079
and he's like

1304
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:38,579
you know people

1305
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:41,760
get babysitters to come to these shows

1306
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:44,220
like to you it might not

1307
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:48,720
seem like a big deal but it's a big deal

1308
00:52:53,569 --> 00:52:50,579
this is a big night for a lot of people

1309
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,579
they got babysitters they're on dates

1310
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:55,680
this means something to them it's

1311
00:52:59,809 --> 00:52:57,540
serious it's real and you need to think

1312
00:53:01,849 --> 00:52:59,819
of it that way this is real and then be

1313
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:01,859
a professional this isn't the side gig

1314
00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:06,000
yeah oh the burn when he you know it

1315
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:07,859
hurt things like that you remember

1316
00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:09,780
things like that but but he's not saying

1317
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:11,579
you're a jackass he's saying he's

1318
00:53:15,890 --> 00:53:13,980
putting it in perspective of that people

1319
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,900
are doing that and you need to respect

1320
00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:17,520
that take it seriously which is a big

1321
00:53:20,809 --> 00:53:19,140
deal a different way to say it than John

1322
00:53:23,329 --> 00:53:20,819
can you bombed you're an [\h__\h] well he

1323
00:53:25,549 --> 00:53:23,339
knows if you bomb he knows you know it

1324
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,559
he didn't need to remind me I bomb it's

1325
00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:26,880
more you know it's more along the lines

1326
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:29,099
of I think one of the ways that he like

1327
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:31,260
yeah when he's taking people out is he

1328
00:53:35,089 --> 00:53:33,240
he's sort of

1329
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:35,099
he knows a lot of the sand traps

1330
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:36,900
comedians can get into one of them is

1331
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:40,020
you get stuck in your material or you

1332
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,380
get lazy or uh you're diffused up there

1333
00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:45,359
or something like that and you know one

1334
00:53:50,089 --> 00:53:47,160
of the cool things about him is he like

1335
00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:50,099
he doesn't tiptoe around the truth you

1336
00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:51,180
know he'll just tell you but there's

1337
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,920
benevolence there it's not like an

1338
00:53:57,730 --> 00:53:54,900
[\h__\h] trying to hurt your feelings

1339
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:57,740
it's someone who thinks that you have

1340
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:00,960
uh potential and it's just trying to

1341
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:03,000
help you become better that's what we

1342
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,240
need and for all friendships you know do

1343
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:07,920
you feel that there's something like I

1344
00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:11,040
know as an audience member uh you know

1345
00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:15,420
when I watch a really good set and I you

1346
00:54:19,490 --> 00:54:16,859
know I know this mainly through you guys

1347
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:19,500
and watching this thing but I feel

1348
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:21,540
something right I feel like not only am

1349
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:22,920
I laughing but I brought Commander

1350
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,900
forever to see Joe one time I I honestly

1351
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,640
thought I broke a rib I laughed so

1352
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:29,040
[\h__\h] hard and and with Lazarus the

1353
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,280
first time I ever saw like a real Pro I

1354
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:33,839
almost thought I broker it both times

1355
00:54:38,329 --> 00:54:36,420
but I felt something I felt like not

1356
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:38,339
only am I laughing but I felt like super

1357
00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:40,740
connected that everybody was laughing at

1358
00:54:45,049 --> 00:54:42,900
the same thing that usually you don't

1359
00:54:47,089 --> 00:54:45,059
talk about yeah but because it's being

1360
00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:47,099
uh shown in the in the form of humor

1361
00:54:50,569 --> 00:54:48,599
we're all kind of bonded over the

1362
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:50,579
awkwardness of those things that at that

1363
00:54:54,349 --> 00:54:52,980
time Joe was saying do you feel that

1364
00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:54,359
there's something that you get as a

1365
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:56,099
performer when we all get on that same

1366
00:55:00,049 --> 00:54:58,619
level and we are laughing with you at

1367
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,059
those things is there something like

1368
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,160
special about I can only [\h__\h] imagine

1369
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:03,839
but I'm asked because I don't know I've

1370
00:55:06,589 --> 00:55:05,220
never done it yes

1371
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:06,599
tell me about it I want to know what

1372
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:08,520
that is like

1373
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:13,730
and again I think it's a very subjective

1374
00:55:19,490 --> 00:55:17,339
experience to be a performer so I'm sure

1375
00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:19,500
lots of comics would disagree about this

1376
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,030
you know VR so VR comes out and you know

1377
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,319
one of the things that they're kicking

1378
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:30,240
around the idea for is like how could

1379
00:55:38,089 --> 00:55:36,059
could stand up comedy work with VR and

1380
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:38,099
the reason I don't think it could with

1381
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:39,780
the current technology we have is like

1382
00:55:45,410 --> 00:55:41,640
yeah sure you could like have people put

1383
00:55:47,470 --> 00:55:45,420
on VR goggles and see you on stage but

1384
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:47,480
all of these other

1385
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:49,740
aspects of what it really is would be

1386
00:55:53,690 --> 00:55:51,780
left out which is the room

1387
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:53,700
the Acoustics of the room the

1388
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:55,380
interactive part of it the interactive

1389
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:56,880
part where the laughter is coming from

1390
00:56:01,130 --> 00:56:00,000
but also and this is the woo-woo part

1391
00:56:05,089 --> 00:56:01,140
you've

1392
00:56:08,569 --> 00:56:05,099
if you tune in you feel this

1393
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:08,579
energy that is not laughter I don't know

1394
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:11,579
how to explain it it's like a you know

1395
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:14,040
like when you push magnets together that

1396
00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:15,960
sense of like this like weird and it's

1397
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:17,819
an energy do you think that's focused

1398
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,800
some people say the word attention and I

1399
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:21,839
don't think that's right do you think

1400
00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:23,640
it's focused like the fact that

1401
00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:25,980
everybody's Consciousness is focusing on

1402
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:28,440
a single like the next beat of what is

1403
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:30,119
about to be said or what do you think

1404
00:56:38,089 --> 00:56:34,260
that magnet is that okay it's Fritz

1405
00:56:40,970 --> 00:56:38,099
pearls this famous psychologist who is I

1406
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:40,980
think behind group therapy

1407
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:42,660
came up with this term called the

1408
00:56:48,049 --> 00:56:46,319
Gestalt which is the

1409
00:56:50,329 --> 00:56:48,059
whole is greater than the sum of the

1410
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,339
parts right so this other thing comes in

1411
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:53,040
I don't know what it is that thing

1412
00:56:58,730 --> 00:56:55,380
you're you're kind of working with that

1413
00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:58,740
thing like and in that you you

1414
00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:01,319
and the audience have merged into that

1415
00:57:05,150 --> 00:57:03,300
whatever that is like you've sort of if

1416
00:57:07,250 --> 00:57:05,160
you're having a great set if you're not

1417
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,260
having a great set you will not feel

1418
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,880
that energy or you might feel it and

1419
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:10,880
then you feel it go away for some reason

1420
00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:14,280
so it's learning how to like I think I

1421
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,740
mean it's the obvious stuff which is you

1422
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:18,960
need to write really funny jokes right

1423
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:21,480
and be able to deliver punch lights and

1424
00:57:27,650 --> 00:57:24,839
have a real discipline around it and and

1425
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:27,660
so but there's other levels of it that

1426
00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:29,940
are you I don't hear Comics talk about

1427
00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:34,020
that much which which is the experience

1428
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:36,900
of whatever that is this real I don't

1429
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:38,460
know what it is so when you're up there

1430
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:44,450
you

1431
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:53,040
a an individual to a collective and that

1432
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,319
is a really glorious feeling and I think

1433
00:57:59,210 --> 00:57:57,599
the catharsis or whatever you want to

1434
00:58:01,250 --> 00:57:59,220
call it the people get from a comedy

1435
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,260
show I think is not just because they're

1436
00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:03,839
laughing so hard but also because they

1437
00:58:08,089 --> 00:58:05,579
got to merge with a bunch of people

1438
00:58:09,549 --> 00:58:08,099
they've never met in this fairly

1439
00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:09,559
intimate way

1440
00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:12,839
vocalizing this bizarre sound humans

1441
00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:15,780
have evolved that we call laughter so

1442
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,160
yeah you said you don't know what it is

1443
00:58:20,930 --> 00:58:19,680
but you did name it saying Gestalt like

1444
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:20,940
whatever this guy said the whole is

1445
00:58:25,309 --> 00:58:22,920
greater than some of his parts do you

1446
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:25,319
has that informed so I know when I was

1447
00:58:29,329 --> 00:58:27,900
training martial Athletics that informed

1448
00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:29,339
the way that I do business that

1449
00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:31,800
informally yeah I communicate so does

1450
00:58:35,870 --> 00:58:33,540
this experience that you have when you

1451
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:35,880
do these performances does it inform the

1452
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:38,099
way that you treat your son your your

1453
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:40,859
wife your your friends does it move from

1454
00:58:45,049 --> 00:58:42,780
the stage into your life what you learn

1455
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:45,059
on stage or is that as fundamental or

1456
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:46,559
stupid question I just I'm curious well

1457
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:47,460
I don't

1458
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:50,040
intellectualize it because I think

1459
00:58:56,329 --> 00:58:53,760
comedy is is a is such a present moment

1460
00:58:57,710 --> 00:58:56,339
sort of thing that is so mysterious and

1461
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:57,720
part of what's beautiful about it is if

1462
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,359
anyone could like get handcuffs on it

1463
00:59:04,609 --> 00:59:02,400
and control it and own it know what it

1464
00:59:06,049 --> 00:59:04,619
was you know they they would have they

1465
00:59:09,789 --> 00:59:06,059
would have all the power in the world I

1466
00:59:13,010 --> 00:59:09,799
mean it's a very slippery fish that is

1467
00:59:14,329 --> 00:59:13,020
very difficult to it's always changing

1468
00:59:17,329 --> 00:59:14,339
transforming you know it's like so much

1469
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,339
a stand-up comedy is rooted in the

1470
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,440
Zeitgeist and the Zeitgeist is a

1471
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:21,119
constantly shifting

1472
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:25,140
set of conditions that uh so you might

1473
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:26,640
have come up with some material that

1474
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:30,000
works in in one cultural climate that

1475
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,339
when that climate shifts it seems

1476
00:59:36,349 --> 00:59:34,079
irrelevant and that's happening faster

1477
00:59:39,049 --> 00:59:36,359
and faster now so you know it's there's

1478
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:39,059
so much to it that it all boils down to

1479
00:59:43,549 --> 00:59:41,880
this kind of I think a a present moment

1480
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:43,559
Awareness on stage in a sort of like

1481
00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:46,559
trusting your intuition and being right

1482
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:48,420
there like one of the ways you know

1483
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:50,220
you're not having a good set is when

1484
00:59:54,049 --> 00:59:51,599
you're thinking about the next thing

1485
00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:54,059
you're going to say you know it's very

1486
00:59:57,710 --> 00:59:56,099
odd and then at least that's for me now

1487
00:59:59,569 --> 00:59:57,720
I guess I was just asking did you learn

1488
01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:59,579
anything from Comedy that you have

1489
01:00:02,890 --> 01:00:00,900
brought into your normal life that we

1490
01:00:05,569 --> 01:00:02,900
can easily get access to and understand

1491
01:00:07,849 --> 01:00:05,579
well yeah I'll tell you one thing that I

1492
01:00:12,589 --> 01:00:07,859
have uh

1493
01:00:14,690 --> 01:00:12,599
learn from Comedy that I brought into my

1494
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,700
normal life is

1495
01:00:20,569 --> 01:00:17,040
like listening like there's some There's

1496
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:20,579
real listening and awareness of

1497
01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:22,260
like the

1498
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:25,020
awareness of the room you know and and

1499
01:00:28,430 --> 01:00:27,000
so with when you're playing with your

1500
01:00:31,309 --> 01:00:28,440
kids

1501
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:31,319
I this is something this uh Buddhist

1502
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,420
teacher I love children he said the

1503
01:00:37,609 --> 01:00:35,520
greatest gift you can give your kids is

1504
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:37,619
to be in the moment with them to listen

1505
01:00:43,250 --> 01:00:41,520
you know so so I think applying that to

1506
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:43,260
like just spending time with my kids and

1507
01:00:48,490 --> 01:00:45,900
and sort of dropping whatever I'm gonna

1508
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:48,500
do next and just being there with them

1509
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,660
creates a real connection with them that

1510
01:00:55,730 --> 01:00:54,000
might not be there if I was like

1511
01:00:57,289 --> 01:00:55,740
planning whatever I had to do for the

1512
01:00:59,210 --> 01:00:57,299
rest of the day I want to ask this

1513
01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:59,220
before we move on to other stuff about

1514
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:01,740
your friend Rogan you know Jeremy and I

1515
01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:04,440
watch uh the stories that pop up about

1516
01:01:11,390 --> 01:01:09,000
Joe and uh we kind of laugh often and

1517
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,400
sometimes we feel for Joe I mean he

1518
01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:13,680
becomes a lightning rod for yeah he is a

1519
01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:16,920
comedian he he says funny stuff he he

1520
01:01:24,170 --> 01:01:19,619
pokes and prods and presses buttons and

1521
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:24,180
is taken way too seriously by a lot of

1522
01:01:28,190 --> 01:01:26,280
folks yeah do you feel for your friend

1523
01:01:30,589 --> 01:01:28,200
Joe Rogan sometimes when he becomes a

1524
01:01:33,849 --> 01:01:30,599
light rod and he's just getting trashed

1525
01:01:36,410 --> 01:01:33,859
yeah like when he's trending on Twitter

1526
01:01:38,990 --> 01:01:36,420
you live every three or four days you

1527
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:39,000
know uh yeah like when that [\h__\h] started

1528
01:01:43,789 --> 01:01:42,180
happening initially I of course like you

1529
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:43,799
don't want your friend to like suddenly

1530
01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:47,640
become like the the like

1531
01:01:53,410 --> 01:01:52,440
Target yeah or just a target of like you

1532
01:01:58,910 --> 01:01:53,420
know

1533
01:02:01,130 --> 01:01:58,920
we get these like this is who you're

1534
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:01,140
supposed to be mad at this week you know

1535
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:03,540
and then all these swarms descend on

1536
01:02:07,309 --> 01:02:04,799
that person God knows you don't want

1537
01:02:09,770 --> 01:02:07,319
that to be your friend so yeah at first

1538
01:02:11,390 --> 01:02:09,780
I it was like it did make me feel bad

1539
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:11,400
but then like after talking to him about

1540
01:02:17,569 --> 01:02:16,079
it and realizing he's fine he could take

1541
01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:17,579
care of himself he could take care of

1542
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:19,260
himself I was projecting you realize

1543
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:20,760
like oh all right you want to defend

1544
01:02:23,930 --> 01:02:22,200
people that you love or care about but

1545
01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:23,940
you realize sometimes all they don't

1546
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,799
need defense in this situation right

1547
01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:27,599
yeah because you're projecting your your

1548
01:02:31,690 --> 01:02:29,640
self onto them and you're thinking my

1549
01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:31,700
God if that happened to me

1550
01:02:40,670 --> 01:02:36,599
I would do uh but yeah yeah I think um

1551
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,680
yeah I think he he did uh he was so

1552
01:02:43,849 --> 01:02:42,480
brave and he's not a politician I think

1553
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:43,859
that's what's so great about him is

1554
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,640
it'll be very easy to shift

1555
01:02:51,710 --> 01:02:49,920
whatever the thing you are

1556
01:02:53,030 --> 01:02:51,720
philosophizing or thinking about or

1557
01:02:55,849 --> 01:02:53,040
contemplating

1558
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,859
you'd be very easy to not say that to

1559
01:02:59,809 --> 01:02:57,359
your audience because it doesn't match

1560
01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:59,819
what you're supposed to be saying and it

1561
01:03:03,950 --> 01:03:01,380
might be

1562
01:03:06,109 --> 01:03:03,960
from a lot of people's perspective the

1563
01:03:07,490 --> 01:03:06,119
smart thing to do

1564
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,500
from the you know from a business

1565
01:03:10,849 --> 01:03:09,119
perspective I think that's one of the

1566
01:03:13,370 --> 01:03:10,859
cool things about him is he's not a

1567
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:13,380
politician he's just freely himself so

1568
01:03:17,089 --> 01:03:15,240
not a doctor and he will tell people

1569
01:03:19,010 --> 01:03:17,099
he's not a doctor and then he'll say

1570
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,020
something and people take it very

1571
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:21,599
seriously and uh same thing with he's

1572
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:23,520
not a lawmaker he doesn't write

1573
01:03:28,910 --> 01:03:26,160
legislation and they'll tell people I'm

1574
01:03:30,829 --> 01:03:28,920
a comedian don't get this literally and

1575
01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:30,839
um and yet people do and just rake them

1576
01:03:37,549 --> 01:03:33,900
over the coals over it yeah and and that

1577
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:37,559
it's it's really a curious

1578
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:39,000
uh

1579
01:03:43,789 --> 01:03:40,799
it's a curious thing I think this has

1580
01:03:47,390 --> 01:03:43,799
been the plight of comedians for a very

1581
01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:47,400
long time is like you you need to find

1582
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:50,520
someone to blame this [\h__\h] on and so I

1583
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,260
think historically that was like the

1584
01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:55,200
court jester or whatever was probably

1585
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:57,660
always subject to ridicule and attack

1586
01:04:02,750 --> 01:04:00,660
and you know I guess that's the

1587
01:04:04,190 --> 01:04:02,760
archetype here I don't know like what

1588
01:04:06,650 --> 01:04:04,200
happened where people started taking

1589
01:04:08,770 --> 01:04:06,660
comedians seriously it's like a disaster

1590
01:04:11,210 --> 01:04:08,780
for all involved because

1591
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:11,220
not that you shouldn't take any of us

1592
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:12,960
seriously we're human beings or whatever

1593
01:04:18,049 --> 01:04:15,720
but it's like come on like if you if

1594
01:04:19,630 --> 01:04:18,059
you're looking for like uh someone to

1595
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:19,640
get mad at about

1596
01:04:25,309 --> 01:04:23,520
misinformation or uh somebody get pissed

1597
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:25,319
off about for articulating something

1598
01:04:31,010 --> 01:04:26,400
that

1599
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,829
exponentially

1600
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:35,520
shifting

1601
01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:39,540
ideas in the world are then like go

1602
01:04:44,210 --> 01:04:41,400
after there's so many people who are

1603
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:44,220
like making medicine there's P you know

1604
01:04:50,690 --> 01:04:45,599
what I mean there's people who are like

1605
01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:50,700
making weapons and robot dogs you know

1606
01:04:54,829 --> 01:04:52,260
what I mean people who are out there in

1607
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:54,839
the world really fixated on creating

1608
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:57,599
things that really might not be good for

1609
01:05:03,770 --> 01:05:00,240
Humanity clearly a grenade isn't good

1610
01:05:05,809 --> 01:05:03,780
for Humanity good for a nation yeah to

1611
01:05:07,250 --> 01:05:05,819
your point attack them you're just

1612
01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:07,260
saying there's better choices of people

1613
01:05:12,109 --> 01:05:10,440
to attack right then then like well any

1614
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:12,119
ideas that are attacked to begin with

1615
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:14,040
like that that's interesting to me you

1616
01:05:18,410 --> 01:05:16,200
know we were talking earlier about the

1617
01:05:21,410 --> 01:05:18,420
the heresy you know that you were seeing

1618
01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:21,420
uh in our past conversation well there's

1619
01:05:28,270 --> 01:05:24,599
like a heresy against uh the scientific

1620
01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:28,280
Community even uh talking about or

1621
01:05:32,750 --> 01:05:30,839
exploring the idea of what's right in

1622
01:05:36,289 --> 01:05:32,760
front of us with this UFO thing so I

1623
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:36,299
think it's really dangerous when we try

1624
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:39,839
to weaponize ideas to the point where

1625
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:41,160
you're you're going against people who

1626
01:05:45,530 --> 01:05:43,200
are just asking questions which is what

1627
01:05:46,849 --> 01:05:45,540
I've seen a lot you know on people we

1628
01:05:49,250 --> 01:05:46,859
know and probably including yourself

1629
01:05:52,370 --> 01:05:49,260
when you do a set or you talk about

1630
01:05:54,530 --> 01:05:52,380
certain things on your podcast the anger

1631
01:05:57,289 --> 01:05:54,540
and the vitral and the poison and the

1632
01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:57,299
Venom that spit your way just for even

1633
01:06:00,650 --> 01:05:58,980
in a humorous way which is basically

1634
01:06:02,450 --> 01:06:00,660
medicine to talk about the [\h__\h] we don't

1635
01:06:04,730 --> 01:06:02,460
want to talk about yeah you know it's

1636
01:06:06,530 --> 01:06:04,740
pretty amazing when we can't have free

1637
01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:06,540
and open dialogue when the sensors

1638
01:06:10,910 --> 01:06:08,040
themselves

1639
01:06:12,190 --> 01:06:10,920
or the audience yeah it's not a

1640
01:06:14,690 --> 01:06:12,200
government controlling what you can say

1641
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:14,700
these are the listeners this is us this

1642
01:06:19,069 --> 01:06:16,160
is Humanity these are your audience

1643
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:19,079
that's [\h__\h] dangerous why don't you

1644
01:06:23,450 --> 01:06:21,359
change the radio station you know what I

1645
01:06:25,130 --> 01:06:23,460
mean yeah right there's so many

1646
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,140
different things you could tune into

1647
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,359
like why are you like you know that I I

1648
01:06:30,109 --> 01:06:29,039
had this like really embarrassing moment

1649
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:30,119
where I'm like

1650
01:06:34,849 --> 01:06:32,160
scrolling through Twitter I'm like man

1651
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:34,859
Twitter [\h__\h] sucks it's so negative

1652
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,160
and then I realized I followed every one

1653
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,319
of those people you know what I mean

1654
01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:42,240
that's not Twitter that's me right

1655
01:06:47,329 --> 01:06:45,000
that's direct choices I made about who I

1656
01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:47,339
want to follow right and and it's not

1657
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:49,980
the fault of Twitter so I think you know

1658
01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:51,780
if

1659
01:06:56,510 --> 01:06:53,339
whenever I find myself getting

1660
01:06:59,230 --> 01:06:56,520
particularly perturbed or upset by

1661
01:07:04,250 --> 01:06:59,240
whatever the particular data stream I'm

1662
01:07:06,890 --> 01:07:04,260
uh fixated on I just unfixate I don't

1663
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:06,900
try to attack the that particular

1664
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,180
whatever it is just don't look at it

1665
01:07:13,250 --> 01:07:11,280
anymore don't give the gift of your

1666
01:07:14,990 --> 01:07:13,260
attention like you want to talk about

1667
01:07:17,930 --> 01:07:15,000
something bizarre in the universe human

1668
01:07:19,309 --> 01:07:17,940
attention what the [\h__\h] clearly it has a

1669
01:07:22,490 --> 01:07:19,319
value I mean look at everywhere you go

1670
01:07:24,109 --> 01:07:22,500
there's there's Billboards and the

1671
01:07:25,789 --> 01:07:24,119
amount of money that gets put in the

1672
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:25,799
advertising campaigns and logos

1673
01:07:32,089 --> 01:07:28,799
everywhere these are solar panels for

1674
01:07:37,130 --> 01:07:32,099
human attention Gathering it up so don't

1675
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:37,140
give yours to someone who you are

1676
01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:40,200
getting angry at or upset at because all

1677
01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:43,980
you're doing is fueling that thing like

1678
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:46,440
the the and I'm not saying cancel them

1679
01:07:52,329 --> 01:07:50,160
or get or get them deep platform no no

1680
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:52,339
that just that will do nothing just

1681
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:56,160
shift your beautiful incredible human

1682
01:08:02,690 --> 01:07:59,760
attention away from that don't give that

1683
01:08:04,849 --> 01:08:02,700
to them anymore find something to fit to

1684
01:08:06,049 --> 01:08:04,859
focus on that makes you happy on your

1685
01:08:08,329 --> 01:08:06,059
Twitter feed

1686
01:08:09,890 --> 01:08:08,339
uh on the way here this morning I looked

1687
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:09,900
at it it was a it was one that came out

1688
01:08:14,329 --> 01:08:12,420
in October but it's back at the top and

1689
01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:14,339
it's uh you're advising people don't

1690
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:17,219
attach balloons to their children you

1691
01:08:20,809 --> 01:08:18,480
are way ahead of the world of what

1692
01:08:23,930 --> 01:08:20,819
Jeremy and I called balloonapalooza so

1693
01:08:25,490 --> 01:08:23,940
yeah yeah I you know when I

1694
01:08:28,910 --> 01:08:25,500
I don't want to get too into it because

1695
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:28,920
it's it's still it really upsets me but

1696
01:08:33,890 --> 01:08:31,679
yeah we uh you know it's one of those

1697
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:33,900
things parents get a bunch of balloons

1698
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:36,480
at the grocery store it's funny to time

1699
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:39,359
to your kid and uh we tied a bunch of

1700
01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:43,259
kids to balloons to uh Sheridan my

1701
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,480
wanna

1702
01:08:49,610 --> 01:08:47,279
and

1703
01:08:53,689 --> 01:08:49,620
um how many years ago was this

1704
01:08:59,689 --> 01:08:57,410
now he'd probably be 30. young father

1705
01:09:02,349 --> 01:08:59,699
back then I made a lot of mistakes but

1706
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:02,359
we just wanted him to experience like

1707
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:05,759
weightlessness and we didn't do them the

1708
01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:08,940
math right and yeah it's just like gone

1709
01:09:13,809 --> 01:09:11,880
yeah just drifted out to see and what's

1710
01:09:16,430 --> 01:09:13,819
happened to all of us don't worry

1711
01:09:18,410 --> 01:09:16,440
that the U.S Air Force shot down your

1712
01:09:22,430 --> 01:09:18,420
son and he still was like I didn't think

1713
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:22,440
it was Sheraton but every year uh you

1714
01:09:28,610 --> 01:09:25,679
know hundreds of babies do drift and uh

1715
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:28,620
I I would not be surprised if that was

1716
01:09:33,070 --> 01:09:30,420
one of them and I would obviously that

1717
01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:33,080
would explain why they were so

1718
01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:35,699
ambiguous about what it was because they

1719
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,500
don't want to say they we didn't find

1720
01:09:41,809 --> 01:09:39,359
the wreckage there you go because what

1721
01:09:43,789 --> 01:09:41,819
are you going to say we shot a baby tied

1722
01:09:46,669 --> 01:09:43,799
to grocery store balloons down with an

1723
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,679
F-22 say that can't say that can't say

1724
01:09:50,749 --> 01:09:48,000
that

1725
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:50,759
Karen would have run out by of food by

1726
01:09:55,070 --> 01:09:53,279
now on that balloon trip no eat seagulls

1727
01:09:58,010 --> 01:09:55,080
could eat seagulls

1728
01:09:59,930 --> 01:09:58,020
I mean I look obviously like I know it's

1729
01:10:01,970 --> 01:09:59,940
ridiculous I have been in therapy I

1730
01:10:04,910 --> 01:10:01,980
still believe that you know maybe he's

1731
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:04,920
out there somewhere like Sheridan if you

1732
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:07,440
are watching this please reach out to me

1733
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:10,440
I'm so sorry but um you know we got to

1734
01:10:17,390 --> 01:10:13,800
learn to let go yeah that's the thing

1735
01:10:19,370 --> 01:10:17,400
no don't tie your kid pleat oh don't

1736
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,380
tell your kids the balloons don't do it

1737
01:10:25,490 --> 01:10:21,840
it's it yes it's funny yes if you get

1738
01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:25,500
the uh weight right and it's they like

1739
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,860
it but uh you know one extra balloon

1740
01:10:33,229 --> 01:10:30,960
that's it that's all it takes one extra

1741
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:33,239
balloon and they're gone you uh you are

1742
01:10:37,250 --> 01:10:34,980
a consumer of news you keep up with

1743
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:37,260
balloon news for example these stories

1744
01:10:40,729 --> 01:10:39,360
about what was shot down give us your

1745
01:10:43,610 --> 01:10:40,739
take on that I mean we've talked about

1746
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:43,620
it on the broadcast before but

1747
01:10:49,130 --> 01:10:46,080
um really an interesting reaction from

1748
01:10:50,270 --> 01:10:49,140
media from the public White House I mean

1749
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:50,280
I think it was one of the most

1750
01:10:56,330 --> 01:10:52,320
frustrating

1751
01:10:58,850 --> 01:10:56,340
things I've ever seen in my life like

1752
01:11:01,630 --> 01:10:58,860
the

1753
01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:01,640
all of a sudden we got this balloon

1754
01:11:07,490 --> 01:11:04,980
drifted across the country it's a

1755
01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:07,500
political issue people on the right are

1756
01:11:11,330 --> 01:11:09,900
like shoot that thing down right now

1757
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,340
uh

1758
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:13,440
but I people in you know people in

1759
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,120
conspiracy circles are like that's an

1760
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:17,520
EMP or you know that could easily be

1761
01:11:21,050 --> 01:11:19,920
smallpox or so from that perspective do

1762
01:11:22,850 --> 01:11:21,060
you really want to shoot it down you

1763
01:11:24,290 --> 01:11:22,860
don't know what's in there what if it

1764
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,300
like you shoot it down and it

1765
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:26,159
contaminates what whatever's underneath

1766
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,600
it I didn't even I didn't even think

1767
01:11:31,490 --> 01:11:29,520
about that right the idea that it could

1768
01:11:33,649 --> 01:11:31,500
be aggressive in some way but we've had

1769
01:11:35,689 --> 01:11:33,659
these balloons for 40 plus years going

1770
01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:35,699
over reconnaissance balloons but I see

1771
01:11:40,490 --> 01:11:37,140
your point what if there's a biological

1772
01:11:42,649 --> 01:11:40,500
in there I mean uh you know

1773
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:42,659
I don't agree with a lot of things Biden

1774
01:11:47,570 --> 01:11:45,120
does but if it was if it was up to me I

1775
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:47,580
don't want to like be the one to squeeze

1776
01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:49,679
the trigger on a balloon shoot down and

1777
01:11:56,689 --> 01:11:52,860
find out it was filled with some kind of

1778
01:11:59,330 --> 01:11:56,699
awful genetically engineered bio weapon

1779
01:12:02,750 --> 01:11:59,340
or God knows what so let it get over the

1780
01:12:05,390 --> 01:12:02,760
ocean shoot it down but that so that

1781
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:05,400
whole thing just seemed dumb and and

1782
01:12:10,490 --> 01:12:08,640
annoying and also creepy because you

1783
01:12:13,610 --> 01:12:10,500
know the the people kicking around

1784
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,620
that's a [\h__\h] EMP baby they're gonna

1785
01:12:18,050 --> 01:12:15,840
do an electromagnetic pulse what a

1786
01:12:20,330 --> 01:12:18,060
brilliant way to get through it's like

1787
01:12:22,729 --> 01:12:20,340
you're gonna drift into right over the

1788
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:22,739
the center of the United States and just

1789
01:12:28,250 --> 01:12:26,159
wipe out the power grid I gotta start I

1790
01:12:30,410 --> 01:12:28,260
have to stop going on Reddit conspiracy

1791
01:12:32,209 --> 01:12:30,420
because I get sucked in so deep but it

1792
01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:32,219
wasn't that apparently to me what was

1793
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:34,860
annoying was after that all of a sudden

1794
01:12:38,290 --> 01:12:36,060
these things are getting shut down

1795
01:12:40,729 --> 01:12:38,300
because they reconfigured the NORAD

1796
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:40,739
satellite or whatever to pick up on

1797
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:43,440
smaller objects I'm guessing but what

1798
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:46,560
bothered me was the language like

1799
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:48,420
you know what it is

1800
01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:50,400
why aren't you saying exactly what it is

1801
01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:51,780
where's the picture of it you must have

1802
01:12:56,930 --> 01:12:54,300
a picture of it yeah so there but this

1803
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:56,940
whole like it's an object it's an object

1804
01:13:02,709 --> 01:12:59,520
well it's some kind of object literally

1805
01:13:05,689 --> 01:13:02,719
like is there anything a known object

1806
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:05,699
and I'm not flying uh yeah which

1807
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:07,920
actually means UFO I mean yeah without

1808
01:13:11,209 --> 01:13:09,420
getting too conspiratorial about getting

1809
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:11,219
way conspiratorial

1810
01:13:17,330 --> 01:13:13,739
the [\h__\h] was up with that I mean the

1811
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:17,340
language they used to try to mystify

1812
01:13:22,010 --> 01:13:20,280
what it was that was intentional yeah

1813
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:22,020
and that was repeated

1814
01:13:25,550 --> 01:13:23,880
so like you wonder why were they doing

1815
01:13:27,530 --> 01:13:25,560
that why were they trying to play catch

1816
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,540
and release with the UFO thing do you

1817
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:29,040
have a theory why

1818
01:13:33,290 --> 01:13:31,199
yeah my theory is really boring though

1819
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,300
because like I like I love the idea that

1820
01:13:36,770 --> 01:13:35,280
it's some kind of like uh you know a lot

1821
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:36,780
of people are saying

1822
01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:38,520
and I don't know that I really buy into

1823
01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:40,500
this anytime some weird [\h__\h] happens

1824
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:42,300
like that's a distraction from this so

1825
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:44,940
the one of the one of the ideas is it's

1826
01:13:50,930 --> 01:13:47,600
a distraction from the East Palestine

1827
01:13:52,729 --> 01:13:50,940
disaster the other one was it's a

1828
01:13:55,610 --> 01:13:52,739
distraction because apparently there was

1829
01:13:58,729 --> 01:13:55,620
a reporter put out a very detailed story

1830
01:14:00,770 --> 01:13:58,739
about how we blew up nordstream 2 and

1831
01:14:04,490 --> 01:14:00,780
act of War so it was a distraction from

1832
01:14:07,850 --> 01:14:04,500
that that was one of the ideas

1833
01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:07,860
but I think the real reason is because

1834
01:14:13,790 --> 01:14:10,980
we shot down the what was it called the

1835
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:13,800
Idaho balloon Brigade like these kids

1836
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:15,900
like to put up weather balloons for fun

1837
01:14:20,709 --> 01:14:18,540
and we use an F-22 with a 500 000

1838
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,719
missile to shoot down

1839
01:14:25,070 --> 01:14:22,640
deal with it

1840
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:25,080
so it's like how do you say that in a

1841
01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:26,400
way that doesn't make you look like an

1842
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:28,260
[\h__\h] you know you oh you already said

1843
01:14:31,370 --> 01:14:29,760
well we're not sure what it was we're

1844
01:14:33,229 --> 01:14:31,380
not sure what it was shaped like it was

1845
01:14:35,090 --> 01:14:33,239
weird it knocked out our Communications

1846
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,100
yeah we couldn't find it you couldn't

1847
01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:37,199
find it because you shot down some kids

1848
01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:39,420
weather balloon project blew it up with

1849
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:41,940
a with a very powerful missile you're

1850
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,640
not gonna find scraps of latex or I

1851
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,320
think there is a positive development

1852
01:14:51,130 --> 01:14:48,239
and that was the scene of the White

1853
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:51,140
House Press Corps not exactly into UFOs

1854
01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:54,360
not known for pressing uh tough

1855
01:14:59,209 --> 01:14:56,820
questions asking hey where the hell is

1856
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,219
the the gun camera video you know it

1857
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:01,679
exists why don't you release uh this

1858
01:15:06,770 --> 01:15:04,080
video of these encounters and shooting

1859
01:15:09,649 --> 01:15:06,780
them down Welcome to our world asking

1860
01:15:11,390 --> 01:15:09,659
for videos from the Pentagon right which

1861
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,400
should be released it's not a threat to

1862
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:13,199
National Security

1863
01:15:16,850 --> 01:15:15,060
um I think it opened a lot of eyes among

1864
01:15:19,010 --> 01:15:16,860
those reporters who have not taken this

1865
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,020
stuff seriously before sure well a lot

1866
01:15:23,570 --> 01:15:21,360
of times we are providing videos to the

1867
01:15:26,450 --> 01:15:23,580
Pentagon but we are specifically asking

1868
01:15:27,770 --> 01:15:26,460
them to release the mosul or video just

1869
01:15:30,050 --> 01:15:27,780
because it was contained within a

1870
01:15:31,850 --> 01:15:30,060
classified briefing does not mean that

1871
01:15:34,010 --> 01:15:31,860
the public can't see that video that's

1872
01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:34,020
what you're referencing so our audience

1873
01:15:38,810 --> 01:15:36,840
knows anyway wow so I was glad to see

1874
01:15:41,630 --> 01:15:38,820
the White House Press Corps asking some

1875
01:15:43,130 --> 01:15:41,640
tough questions for once and gaining uh

1876
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:43,140
at least a little bit of knowledge about

1877
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:45,600
what the UFO world has had to deal with

1878
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,760
for the Pentagon for 75 years there you

1879
01:15:52,090 --> 01:15:49,679
go right I didn't even think of that

1880
01:15:55,490 --> 01:15:52,100
angle but yeah it's like there that

1881
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,500
ambiguous if they're that like

1882
01:16:00,590 --> 01:15:57,600
frustrating in the description of

1883
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:00,600
shooting down a a kid's science

1884
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:04,440
experiment how much more so about

1885
01:16:11,390 --> 01:16:09,120
technology that uh that that that really

1886
01:16:13,250 --> 01:16:11,400
is exotic and exotic yeah let me tell

1887
01:16:14,689 --> 01:16:13,260
you something if a pilot I've talked

1888
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:14,699
with many Pilots about this and you can

1889
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:16,800
ask any Pilots of fighter pilot any

1890
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,840
Warfighter if you're gonna fire upon

1891
01:16:22,490 --> 01:16:20,400
something because you get the order

1892
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:22,500
you're gonna see it you're gonna know it

1893
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:24,000
you're going to be able to make sure

1894
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:25,520
that you're hitting the right target

1895
01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:27,840
they have footage

1896
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:30,420
of those balloons we said there would be

1897
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,400
balloons from the beginning so the idea

1898
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,800
that that is being directly held back to

1899
01:16:39,169 --> 01:16:36,960
try to muddy the waters because maybe

1900
01:16:42,590 --> 01:16:39,179
the reasons you said maybe stranger

1901
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:42,600
reasons that's [\h__\h] up but by by all

1902
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,340
accounts that's [\h__\h] up they have

1903
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:46,320
video footage they have imagery they

1904
01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:48,420
have all sorts of sensor data and the

1905
01:16:51,770 --> 01:16:49,980
pilots had visual or they wouldn't have

1906
01:16:54,530 --> 01:16:51,780
fired upon them yeah it's [\h__\h] up man

1907
01:16:57,130 --> 01:16:54,540
I mean no matter what it was

1908
01:17:00,649 --> 01:16:57,140
it I don't think I think we're so sick

1909
01:17:03,169 --> 01:17:00,659
of how condescending they are like who's

1910
01:17:05,450 --> 01:17:03,179
they when you're when they're giving uh

1911
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,460
when you when the oh I can't remember

1912
01:17:10,490 --> 01:17:07,440
her name the press secretary

1913
01:17:13,729 --> 01:17:10,500
is you know using words like object

1914
01:17:15,229 --> 01:17:13,739
unknown object it's an unknown object we

1915
01:17:16,910 --> 01:17:15,239
don't know what it was but we can tell

1916
01:17:19,250 --> 01:17:16,920
you for sure it's not extraterrestrial

1917
01:17:21,649 --> 01:17:19,260
yeah it's it's just condescending it's

1918
01:17:24,590 --> 01:17:21,659
like okay so I guess you want us to just

1919
01:17:27,229 --> 01:17:24,600
ex accept that like you you just want to

1920
01:17:28,990 --> 01:17:27,239
say oh an object of course classic

1921
01:17:31,790 --> 01:17:29,000
object you just shot down a classic

1922
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:31,800
object of Unknown Origin within F20

1923
01:17:36,970 --> 01:17:34,320
happens all the time oh uh yeah that's

1924
01:17:39,770 --> 01:17:36,980
all it was that's the part that really

1925
01:17:41,689 --> 01:17:39,780
rubs me the wrong way man is the

1926
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:41,699
condescending attitude when they're

1927
01:17:46,010 --> 01:17:43,679
speaking four and two the American

1928
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,020
public yeah man it's like don't it's

1929
01:17:53,810 --> 01:17:49,199
like so it's like you know somebody

1930
01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:53,820
feeding you like a microwave dinner and

1931
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:55,860
telling you it's

1932
01:18:00,649 --> 01:17:58,560
steak it's really nice steak you know

1933
01:18:02,090 --> 01:18:00,659
expecting us to just be like that's a

1934
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,100
really terrible analogy I don't know if

1935
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:04,400
that works okay let's roll with it but

1936
01:18:08,990 --> 01:18:07,440
macaroni it's just you know I that's the

1937
01:18:10,450 --> 01:18:09,000
part that's a little mind-numbing is

1938
01:18:14,810 --> 01:18:10,460
it's like

1939
01:18:18,370 --> 01:18:14,820
their manipulation of language to be as

1940
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:18,380
vague as possible but attached to that

1941
01:18:25,070 --> 01:18:23,040
is a seeming prohibition on speculating

1942
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,080
about something you should definitely be

1943
01:18:31,250 --> 01:18:27,360
speculating about the way that that that

1944
01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:31,260
speculation is Taboo in some circles and

1945
01:18:36,830 --> 01:18:33,719
how that gets you lumped in with an

1946
01:18:38,510 --> 01:18:36,840
imaginary group of people that they've

1947
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:38,520
invented that they're currently calling

1948
01:18:42,590 --> 01:18:40,860
conspiracy theorists which is you know

1949
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:42,600
yeah sure obviously there's people

1950
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:44,400
who've been up

1951
01:18:49,610 --> 01:18:47,520
too long and are writing weird [\h__\h]

1952
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:49,620
online but like if you don't think

1953
01:18:55,370 --> 01:18:51,600
that's out there you're out of your mind

1954
01:18:56,530 --> 01:18:55,380
but also there's just normal people who

1955
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:56,540
are

1956
01:19:03,350 --> 01:18:59,520
curious yeah and if you're going to like

1957
01:19:06,290 --> 01:19:03,360
if you want to like throw

1958
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:06,300
a lighter into a big pool of gasoline

1959
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,120
the way to do it is just is to not be

1960
01:19:13,729 --> 01:19:11,280
completely clear and transparent because

1961
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:13,739
then everyone's going to project Their

1962
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:16,320
Own Worst fears or their own weird

1963
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:18,960
theories onto your smoke screen the

1964
01:19:23,689 --> 01:19:21,360
history of Area 51 so there you go you

1965
01:19:25,850 --> 01:19:23,699
have a base that people can see that the

1966
01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:25,860
Russians photograph that you can climb

1967
01:19:30,290 --> 01:19:28,739
up on a a mountain and photograph and

1968
01:19:32,030 --> 01:19:30,300
the government says it doesn't exist

1969
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:32,040
well how do you think the Public's going

1970
01:19:35,930 --> 01:19:34,080
to react to that we know it's there what

1971
01:19:39,050 --> 01:19:35,940
do you mean it doesn't exist they get

1972
01:19:42,169 --> 01:19:39,060
more curious about it exactly that's it

1973
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:42,179
just say what it is whatever it's it's

1974
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:44,340
top it's like what do you think it is

1975
01:19:50,450 --> 01:19:47,280
hippies we're working on [\h__\h]

1976
01:19:53,149 --> 01:19:50,460
teleportation we're working on anti-grav

1977
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:53,159
we can't tell everybody that we're doing

1978
01:19:57,950 --> 01:19:55,440
the details because we're trying to

1979
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:57,960
create a Competitive Edge against our

1980
01:20:02,750 --> 01:20:00,239
enemies but when you're so blank about

1981
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,760
it and all you're doing is inviting

1982
01:20:06,770 --> 01:20:04,560
people to trust fast all you're doing is

1983
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:06,780
inviting people to try to hack your [\h__\h]

1984
01:20:10,669 --> 01:20:08,880
to get the information the distrust it

1985
01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:10,679
it creates that's like something we're

1986
01:20:16,010 --> 01:20:13,080
dealing with is the over classification

1987
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:16,020
of information in our world creates a

1988
01:20:20,689 --> 01:20:17,760
sort of distrust with the American

1989
01:20:22,970 --> 01:20:20,699
public for good reason so and that it's

1990
01:20:23,810 --> 01:20:22,980
a corrosive corruptive

1991
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:23,820
um

1992
01:20:28,910 --> 01:20:26,400
process that's been going on if you're

1993
01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:28,920
not honest with those you represent then

1994
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:30,120
you're going to have a [\h__\h] problem

1995
01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:31,920
and we're and we're running into that

1996
01:20:35,930 --> 01:20:34,500
specifically with our work with what

1997
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:35,940
we're trying to do get information out

1998
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,920
so I think we can all relate that that

1999
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,840
is a that is a [\h__\h] up thing when

2000
01:20:45,649 --> 01:20:42,000
people are representing at us are not

2001
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:45,659
being honest well I I do understand yeah

2002
01:20:51,709 --> 01:20:48,120
that in any government that has to have

2003
01:20:54,530 --> 01:20:51,719
a military you obviously you can't give

2004
01:20:56,750 --> 01:20:54,540
the D all the details out there but yeah

2005
01:20:59,570 --> 01:20:56,760
I just think that that the the

2006
01:21:02,990 --> 01:20:59,580
articulation of classified information

2007
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:03,000
or even a clear explanation of why you

2008
01:21:07,250 --> 01:21:04,800
can't talk about it in a way that

2009
01:21:09,530 --> 01:21:07,260
doesn't make people imagine that you

2010
01:21:12,290 --> 01:21:09,540
think of us as children that you think

2011
01:21:14,689 --> 01:21:12,300
of us as some kind of peasantry or

2012
01:21:16,910 --> 01:21:14,699
something that couldn't handle the truth

2013
01:21:21,470 --> 01:21:16,920
it was just an acknowledgment that like

2014
01:21:26,510 --> 01:21:21,480
we are paying for your job and and and

2015
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:26,520
that you know that you respect us in the

2016
01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:28,320
same way we respect other people in the

2017
01:21:32,689 --> 01:21:30,600
political class I think that would do a

2018
01:21:35,209 --> 01:21:32,699
lot for people like to earn back the

2019
01:21:37,010 --> 01:21:35,219
public trust sure yeah it's just like

2020
01:21:40,189 --> 01:21:37,020
come on you could be you you don't have

2021
01:21:42,290 --> 01:21:40,199
to tell us everything but in fact we

2022
01:21:43,370 --> 01:21:42,300
don't want to know everything I don't I

2023
01:21:45,229 --> 01:21:43,380
don't think I want to know everything

2024
01:21:47,630 --> 01:21:45,239
you ever think about that you ever yeah

2025
01:21:49,610 --> 01:21:47,640
I'd like you want an IU I'd like to know

2026
01:21:52,669 --> 01:21:49,620
everything I don't know there's some

2027
01:21:54,530 --> 01:21:52,679
level of it where I get where I think

2028
01:21:56,689 --> 01:21:54,540
well there's parts of it that are pretty

2029
01:21:58,729 --> 01:21:56,699
disturbing somewhere along you dig far

2030
01:22:00,110 --> 01:21:58,739
enough you go somewhere you want some

2031
01:22:02,270 --> 01:22:00,120
water you want some more water oh thank

2032
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:02,280
you yeah you chill I'll give her some

2033
01:22:03,169 --> 01:22:03,010
more water

2034
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,179
[Music]

2035
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,310
I think there are reasons at some level

2036
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:08,880
there's a small group of people that

2037
01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:11,100
know some [\h__\h] that's really disturbing

2038
01:22:14,990 --> 01:22:13,260
you think yeah

2039
01:22:16,430 --> 01:22:15,000
um

2040
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:16,440
like like

2041
01:22:23,330 --> 01:22:20,880
yeah yeah yeah I think it's uh you know

2042
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:23,340
a harvest of some kind that happens you

2043
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:26,940
know there's some or some bad [\h__\h] a

2044
01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:28,860
harvest there's some kind of a there's

2045
01:22:34,010 --> 01:22:31,260
more than one answer to what's here and

2046
01:22:36,290 --> 01:22:34,020
some of them are not good

2047
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:36,300
right right right yeah nothing new Under

2048
01:22:39,290 --> 01:22:37,920
The Sun It's not like this [\h__\h] hasn't

2049
01:22:40,430 --> 01:22:39,300
been written about for thousands of

2050
01:22:42,410 --> 01:22:40,440
years

2051
01:22:44,270 --> 01:22:42,420
you know talk about people that have

2052
01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:44,280
been working in this Indie government at

2053
01:22:49,550 --> 01:22:46,980
high levels it's a very small group and

2054
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:49,560
they're some of them are pretty much at

2055
01:22:53,689 --> 01:22:51,600
the conclusion that maybe they shouldn't

2056
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:53,699
let all this [\h__\h] out they couldn't

2057
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:55,800
there would be [\h__\h] problems well I

2058
01:22:58,910 --> 01:22:57,360
think there's some compassion in there I

2059
01:23:00,830 --> 01:22:58,920
mean I think like also understanding

2060
01:23:03,050 --> 01:23:00,840
humans as a whole and understanding like

2061
01:23:05,149 --> 01:23:03,060
perhaps how you need civilization yeah

2062
01:23:07,390 --> 01:23:05,159
like what it would do to civilization

2063
01:23:10,250 --> 01:23:07,400
because you know I'll tell you this man

2064
01:23:12,530 --> 01:23:10,260
the other thing that those weird objects

2065
01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:12,540
what what when I was like looking at my

2066
01:23:16,910 --> 01:23:15,300
emotional state and allowing myself to

2067
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:16,920
even though like we talking like it's

2068
01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:19,679
not don't fall for it but it would have

2069
01:23:24,410 --> 01:23:21,540
appreciate it you were like the first

2070
01:23:26,450 --> 01:23:24,420
person I called but

2071
01:23:28,610 --> 01:23:26,460
you know in those moments where I I

2072
01:23:30,649 --> 01:23:28,620
started fantasizing like Jesus Christ I

2073
01:23:34,130 --> 01:23:30,659
mean this is kind of the way every

2074
01:23:36,830 --> 01:23:34,140
sci-fi Alien Invasion movie starts and

2075
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:36,840
ah don't worry about it it was a be

2076
01:23:43,010 --> 01:23:40,080
scary like I realized like you know in

2077
01:23:45,649 --> 01:23:43,020
the when I was younger

2078
01:23:49,010 --> 01:23:45,659
and you would hear things about how like

2079
01:23:51,530 --> 01:23:49,020
seti or NASA or the governments of the

2080
01:23:55,370 --> 01:23:51,540
world already have plans in place for

2081
01:23:57,169 --> 01:23:55,380
how to handle an alien invasion what do

2082
01:23:59,450 --> 01:23:57,179
we do if something shows up in the skies

2083
01:24:02,510 --> 01:23:59,460
how do we do that or what do we do if we

2084
01:24:04,189 --> 01:24:02,520
find a planet that definitely has there

2085
01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:04,199
are protocols there's protocols yes

2086
01:24:07,870 --> 01:24:06,600
there are because they know it's going

2087
01:24:12,290 --> 01:24:07,880
to be

2088
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:12,300
incredibly disruptive to society because

2089
01:24:19,970 --> 01:24:16,800
so many people are aligned with cultures

2090
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:19,980
religions that that additional

2091
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:22,560
information could like be the crack in

2092
01:24:26,270 --> 01:24:24,719
the windshield there are Bedrock beliefs

2093
01:24:28,970 --> 01:24:26,280
that would be shaken by it yeah yeah

2094
01:24:30,169 --> 01:24:28,980
that's no question the U.N there's a

2095
01:24:31,790 --> 01:24:30,179
great documentary I need to remember

2096
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:31,800
what it was but it was about the UN

2097
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,420
protocols that they have for

2098
01:24:38,990 --> 01:24:35,280
non-terrestrial engagement of humanity

2099
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:39,000
so when Duncan for when you you FaceTime

2100
01:24:43,130 --> 01:24:40,800
me about that I was underneath my car

2101
01:24:45,530 --> 01:24:43,140
fixing my [\h__\h] entirety remember that

2102
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:45,540
yes you FaceTime me and I was like I'm

2103
01:24:49,729 --> 01:24:47,040
like don't worry it's not War of the

2104
01:24:52,010 --> 01:24:49,739
Worlds it's all going to be balloons but

2105
01:24:53,870 --> 01:24:52,020
it was like I did call it but it should

2106
01:24:56,810 --> 01:24:53,880
be obvious in a way that that feeling

2107
01:24:58,189 --> 01:24:56,820
that people did have like what is going

2108
01:24:59,390 --> 01:24:58,199
on now the fact that you're gonna have

2109
01:25:01,310 --> 01:24:59,400
to ask that means they don't [\h__\h]

2110
01:25:02,810 --> 01:25:01,320
trust what's going on to begin with what

2111
01:25:04,010 --> 01:25:02,820
is going on I mean how many times I have

2112
01:25:06,530 --> 01:25:04,020
to say this is this is not going to be

2113
01:25:09,770 --> 01:25:06,540
War of the Worlds probably it's all good

2114
01:25:12,590 --> 01:25:09,780
right check this out so I I guess it's

2115
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:12,600
just interesting to me that the the what

2116
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,820
is portrayed out to the world and what

2117
01:25:18,770 --> 01:25:17,040
we know is not in sync and that's really

2118
01:25:21,410 --> 01:25:18,780
interesting but these protocols we have

2119
01:25:24,410 --> 01:25:21,420
the protocols we have if there are if

2120
01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:24,420
there is contact have you ever read uh

2121
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:27,000
childhood's End by Arthur C Club no have

2122
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:31,199
you heard yes yes so if I get this right

2123
01:25:36,770 --> 01:25:34,320
there were craft that came and hovered

2124
01:25:40,130 --> 01:25:36,780
over planet Earth in strategic locations

2125
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:40,140
for generations and that was just to

2126
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:43,320
acclimate people to the non-humans that

2127
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,880
had come and Arthur C Clarke this

2128
01:25:48,169 --> 01:25:46,560
incredible character you know predicted

2129
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,179
the internet all that stuff yeah but

2130
01:25:52,970 --> 01:25:50,880
it's just a cool book that the aliens

2131
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:52,980
they had a problem

2132
01:25:59,090 --> 01:25:55,920
they look like demons like Devils red

2133
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:59,100
with pointed Tails oh [\h__\h] I've shown

2134
01:26:03,169 --> 01:26:01,199
you some documents before so NASA has

2135
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:03,179
protocols for what would happen if

2136
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:05,520
astronauts for example uh come into

2137
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:08,159
contact with extraterrestrial life

2138
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,380
how they would come back the the steps

2139
01:26:14,209 --> 01:26:12,480
that had to be taken to prevent uh

2140
01:26:16,610 --> 01:26:14,219
contamination of the planet United

2141
01:26:19,370 --> 01:26:16,620
Nations does have a a series of

2142
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,380
protocols if intelligent life is

2143
01:26:22,610 --> 01:26:21,360
detected how the announcement would be

2144
01:26:25,129 --> 01:26:22,620
made those are real they've been around

2145
01:26:27,290 --> 01:26:25,139
for 50 years we've never implemented

2146
01:26:30,530 --> 01:26:27,300
them and I'm not sure that they would

2147
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:30,540
stick to uh the rules uh if it even

2148
01:26:34,729 --> 01:26:32,760
happened I suspect if our government is

2149
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:34,739
the one that made the decision or the

2150
01:26:39,470 --> 01:26:36,960
discovery that we'd keep it secret for a

2151
01:26:41,209 --> 01:26:39,480
help a long time maybe forever do you

2152
01:26:42,530 --> 01:26:41,219
think it's possible that some sort of

2153
01:26:46,669 --> 01:26:42,540
non-human intelligence is already

2154
01:26:50,930 --> 01:26:48,709
well I mean

2155
01:26:52,610 --> 01:26:50,940
sure why not I don't know I would like

2156
01:26:55,209 --> 01:26:52,620
to believe that I go to the I used to go

2157
01:26:58,189 --> 01:26:55,219
to the Raves I mean that was something

2158
01:27:01,010 --> 01:26:58,199
people in that subculture definitely

2159
01:27:02,689 --> 01:27:01,020
believe that uh you mean like the Nords

2160
01:27:05,390 --> 01:27:02,699
and the No No I'm not saying specific

2161
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:05,400
I'm just curious if like in your concept

2162
01:27:10,370 --> 01:27:07,920
of the way that you've seen the world if

2163
01:27:12,350 --> 01:27:10,380
there is a sense that visitation okay do

2164
01:27:14,209 --> 01:27:12,360
you believe that UFOs are real yeah of

2165
01:27:16,250 --> 01:27:14,219
course physical machines coming from

2166
01:27:20,169 --> 01:27:16,260
elsewhere well I don't know what they

2167
01:27:23,330 --> 01:27:20,179
are but I definitely believe that that

2168
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:23,340
many of the things that people have

2169
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:25,280
reported seeing

2170
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,239
are currently not on Wikipedia like or

2171
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:33,120
not or there is no explanation for them

2172
01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:37,199
other than a an intelligence that

2173
01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:40,440
derives either from a part of the earth

2174
01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:42,900
that we don't have access to just

2175
01:27:47,810 --> 01:27:44,460
everything you were saying uh extra

2176
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,820
temporal uh extra dimensional

2177
01:27:51,709 --> 01:27:49,679
um or maybe from here like Georgia said

2178
01:27:53,810 --> 01:27:51,719
before maybe you know not even any of

2179
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:53,820
these maybe just uh some Advanced

2180
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:57,120
civilization that has somehow evolved in

2181
01:28:01,669 --> 01:28:00,000
a sub category being hidden here within

2182
01:28:03,470 --> 01:28:01,679
the you know planet Earth okay I'll tell

2183
01:28:05,330 --> 01:28:03,480
you a story this is a cool story I just

2184
01:28:08,410 --> 01:28:05,340
found out about this ramdas Guru neem

2185
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:08,420
karoli Baba incredible being

2186
01:28:14,450 --> 01:28:12,719
uh so many fascinating stories about him

2187
01:28:17,209 --> 01:28:14,460
and I won't get into all of them but

2188
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:17,219
look up neem Crawley Baba you will it's

2189
01:28:22,490 --> 01:28:19,920
a infinite rabbit hole but basically a

2190
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,500
saint you could say a saint in India and

2191
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:24,000
so

2192
01:28:27,290 --> 01:28:24,960
um

2193
01:28:29,629 --> 01:28:27,300
I'm so sorry I can't remember the name

2194
01:28:33,290 --> 01:28:29,639
of this documentary just came out if you

2195
01:28:35,050 --> 01:28:33,300
go to romdos.org you can find it uh but

2196
01:28:37,729 --> 01:28:35,060
it was about one of Neiman Crowley

2197
01:28:39,169 --> 01:28:37,739
boba's closest Associates and it's such

2198
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:39,179
a good documentary because you get like

2199
01:28:44,450 --> 01:28:41,040
a real taste of what

2200
01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:44,460
kind of Guru he was and then right if

2201
01:28:49,970 --> 01:28:46,260
you have some

2202
01:28:52,250 --> 01:28:49,980
uh Guru paranoia which any logical

2203
01:28:55,729 --> 01:28:52,260
rational person should definitely use it

2204
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:55,739
after I have a good thing what is it uh

2205
01:29:00,410 --> 01:28:58,560
Mark Twain said uh religion is what

2206
01:29:01,930 --> 01:29:00,420
happened when the first conland met the

2207
01:29:04,850 --> 01:29:01,940
first fool

2208
01:29:06,350 --> 01:29:04,860
you gotta be you know be smart don't

2209
01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:06,360
just because somebody's wearing a

2210
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:08,760
blanket or whatever because when you

2211
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:10,800
need to kiss their feet but in my

2212
01:29:15,290 --> 01:29:12,960
opinion this was the real item he was

2213
01:29:17,689 --> 01:29:15,300
the real thing yeah one of the stories

2214
01:29:20,090 --> 01:29:17,699
was uh he's standing at the base of this

2215
01:29:24,410 --> 01:29:20,100
mountain uh

2216
01:29:26,030 --> 01:29:24,420
with some of his uh Associates

2217
01:29:29,709 --> 01:29:26,040
I don't we don't I don't they don't like

2218
01:29:32,570 --> 01:29:29,719
to say followers but disciples

2219
01:29:35,390 --> 01:29:32,580
me like this was like a the description

2220
01:29:38,090 --> 01:29:35,400
of him is just like being around like a

2221
01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:38,100
space heater that was just pure love

2222
01:29:42,890 --> 01:29:40,920
whatever era like what 60s in the 60s

2223
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:42,900
yeah in the 60s yeah and he just was

2224
01:29:47,810 --> 01:29:46,080
like you just you couldn't

2225
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:47,820
it was almost unbearable it was almost

2226
01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:49,920
unbearable because he loved you but not

2227
01:29:55,310 --> 01:29:52,440
in some cheesy like [\h__\h] like that

2228
01:29:57,169 --> 01:29:55,320
that that fake positivity yoga smile

2229
01:29:59,689 --> 01:29:57,179
thing but like in the first from the

2230
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:59,699
sense that somehow he was capable of

2231
01:30:03,530 --> 01:30:01,679
knowing everything about you including

2232
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:03,540
this is what you heard but you haven't

2233
01:30:07,850 --> 01:30:05,520
met this guy right oh well I feel like I

2234
01:30:10,370 --> 01:30:07,860
have I mean yeah I feel like like I I

2235
01:30:12,530 --> 01:30:10,380
don't think that he a being needs to be

2236
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:12,540
embodied to have the experience or the

2237
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:15,840
darshan of that being necessarily but

2238
01:30:21,169 --> 01:30:18,480
maybe that's for another podcast but

2239
01:30:22,370 --> 01:30:21,179
yeah so he's talking about how in these

2240
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:22,380
mountains

2241
01:30:28,010 --> 01:30:24,719
there were these rishis I think was the

2242
01:30:31,370 --> 01:30:28,020
name for it basically these very

2243
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:31,380
old beings like thousands of years old

2244
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:33,600
that lived up there and as he's talking

2245
01:30:40,910 --> 01:30:37,920
about it orbs just appear like in all

2246
01:30:42,890 --> 01:30:40,920
around orbs these like floating orbs and

2247
01:30:45,410 --> 01:30:42,900
one of the people with him was like we

2248
01:30:47,330 --> 01:30:45,420
you know we gotta record this we have to

2249
01:30:49,310 --> 01:30:47,340
write it down we have to like look at

2250
01:30:50,990 --> 01:30:49,320
this and he's like

2251
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:51,000
what do you want every you want people

2252
01:30:56,209 --> 01:30:54,719
to think I can call orbs he just joked

2253
01:30:58,129 --> 01:30:56,219
about it you know he was always like

2254
01:31:00,770 --> 01:30:58,139
that always like downplaying everything

2255
01:31:03,290 --> 01:31:00,780
like it's it's nothing to do with me

2256
01:31:07,070 --> 01:31:03,300
it's it's the there's these beings live

2257
01:31:09,290 --> 01:31:07,080
up here but anyway I found that to be

2258
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:09,300
very interesting in the sense that orbs

2259
01:31:14,030 --> 01:31:10,920
or these whatever these certain things

2260
01:31:18,110 --> 01:31:14,040
are that show up they that's a much

2261
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:18,120
discussed Topic in like UFO forums and

2262
01:31:23,629 --> 01:31:21,120
UFO communities you're uh suggesting

2263
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:23,639
that's more of a spiritual manifestation

2264
01:31:28,250 --> 01:31:25,920
as opposed to Mechanical technological

2265
01:31:30,050 --> 01:31:28,260
that's right and and I don't see I mean

2266
01:31:32,750 --> 01:31:30,060
if we're going to like

2267
01:31:35,629 --> 01:31:32,760
try to put every possible thing it is

2268
01:31:39,229 --> 01:31:35,639
use Occam's boring ass razor and be like

2269
01:31:43,790 --> 01:31:39,239
it's probably uh either equipment

2270
01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:43,800
malfunction or experimental vehicles uh

2271
01:31:48,890 --> 01:31:46,080
that's it's the odds of it being that

2272
01:31:52,010 --> 01:31:48,900
over aliens it's infinitely more

2273
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:52,020
probable but why not add to it

2274
01:31:57,050 --> 01:31:55,199
the these things I mean these have been

2275
01:31:59,810 --> 01:31:57,060
talked about for

2276
01:32:02,570 --> 01:31:59,820
ever in every culture they have

2277
01:32:04,669 --> 01:32:02,580
different names but General generally

2278
01:32:07,010 --> 01:32:04,679
the same kind of appearance let me ask

2279
01:32:10,910 --> 01:32:07,020
about your journey because you you're a

2280
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:10,920
comic and Entertainer and you know you

2281
01:32:17,209 --> 01:32:13,920
look at your website about your podcast

2282
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:17,219
and it's um that you have some comics on

2283
01:32:22,430 --> 01:32:19,679
there yeah but it's mainly about

2284
01:32:24,169 --> 01:32:22,440
people who are Disciples of ramdas or

2285
01:32:25,790 --> 01:32:24,179
it's about mindfulness it's about

2286
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:25,800
meditation yes

2287
01:32:30,350 --> 01:32:27,840
somewhere you had some kind of an

2288
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:30,360
epiphany or a moment

2289
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:32,159
um that led you in that direction can

2290
01:32:37,850 --> 01:32:34,320
you can you share was it uh medical

2291
01:32:40,129 --> 01:32:37,860
health issue that led there you know

2292
01:32:42,350 --> 01:32:40,139
there's no easy answer to that and and I

2293
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:42,360
but I you know and I think about it

2294
01:32:46,310 --> 01:32:45,120
sometimes and there's no easy answer you

2295
01:32:48,590 --> 01:32:46,320
know

2296
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:52,669
I think

2297
01:32:57,550 --> 01:32:54,890
that

2298
01:33:00,649 --> 01:32:57,560
the world is a very

2299
01:33:03,950 --> 01:33:00,659
mysterious beautiful place and I know

2300
01:33:06,530 --> 01:33:03,960
for sure that there are the thing there

2301
01:33:08,930 --> 01:33:06,540
are like Secrets there are you know

2302
01:33:10,850 --> 01:33:08,940
aspects of reality that some people are

2303
01:33:14,830 --> 01:33:10,860
aware of that aren't

2304
01:33:19,370 --> 01:33:14,840
shared in the cafeteria of public

2305
01:33:22,490 --> 01:33:19,380
discourse for a variety of reasons and I

2306
01:33:24,830 --> 01:33:22,500
didn't get there by being privy to that

2307
01:33:26,750 --> 01:33:24,840
information as I suspect one at least

2308
01:33:28,970 --> 01:33:26,760
one of you has I just got there by

2309
01:33:33,169 --> 01:33:28,980
applying the As Above So Below

2310
01:33:36,169 --> 01:33:33,179
and I know that the way it works in just

2311
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:36,179
general groups of friends is that we all

2312
01:33:40,370 --> 01:33:37,920
have our little secrets that we don't

2313
01:33:43,010 --> 01:33:40,380
tell other groups so as above so below

2314
01:33:44,930 --> 01:33:43,020
right and and if we're dealing with a

2315
01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:44,940
spectrum of Intelligence on the planet

2316
01:33:53,870 --> 01:33:47,520
which I think we we have a a wide

2317
01:33:59,689 --> 01:33:56,750
I mean I think you guys fall closer to

2318
01:34:02,030 --> 01:33:59,699
the super smart side sometimes I'm

2319
01:34:02,830 --> 01:34:02,040
afraid we have moved the [\h__\h] out of

2320
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:02,840
people

2321
01:34:07,310 --> 01:34:06,000
well we pulled that one off give me a

2322
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:07,320
break but you know what I think that

2323
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:10,560
that uh more than likely uh we could

2324
01:34:17,810 --> 01:34:16,250
secret societies I mean I think that has

2325
01:34:19,129 --> 01:34:17,820
a lot of weight attached to it but but

2326
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:19,139
groups of people who've made the

2327
01:34:23,689 --> 01:34:20,159
decision that they're going to have

2328
01:34:26,209 --> 01:34:23,699
conversations in private that aren't

2329
01:34:29,090 --> 01:34:26,219
always Sinister but maybe benevolent in

2330
01:34:32,570 --> 01:34:29,100
nature that that there's there's salons

2331
01:34:37,129 --> 01:34:32,580
or or invisible colleges what some of

2332
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:37,139
them the invisible college and that uh

2333
01:34:43,010 --> 01:34:40,380
yeah so I I you know so it's far like so

2334
01:34:46,610 --> 01:34:43,020
I think that over time you just

2335
01:34:47,930 --> 01:34:46,620
using just the as simple as above so

2336
01:34:50,750 --> 01:34:47,940
below what have you experienced in your

2337
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:50,760
own life now extrapolate that out and

2338
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:52,560
and expand it make it bigger and bigger

2339
01:34:55,610 --> 01:34:54,000
and you'll get a lot of answers just

2340
01:34:57,950 --> 01:34:55,620
from that are they going to be right I

2341
01:35:00,290 --> 01:34:57,960
don't know but I'm just fascinated with

2342
01:35:03,110 --> 01:35:00,300
that possibility I'm excited about the

2343
01:35:05,090 --> 01:35:03,120
possibility I do think that it exists am

2344
01:35:07,790 --> 01:35:05,100
I out there like searching for some

2345
01:35:09,729 --> 01:35:07,800
mystery school or whatever have I made

2346
01:35:12,410 --> 01:35:09,739
any contact with anything like that

2347
01:35:14,930 --> 01:35:12,420
absolutely not I have not but I do

2348
01:35:16,970 --> 01:35:14,940
speculate that it exists and I'm excited

2349
01:35:20,990 --> 01:35:16,980
about just that fact are you on this

2350
01:35:23,390 --> 01:35:21,000
road before you had a a slap in the face

2351
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:23,400
about mortality yeah I was always

2352
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:25,440
interested in this stuff I was always

2353
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:27,360
you know when I was a kid

2354
01:35:33,290 --> 01:35:30,060
my Dad loved in search of do you

2355
01:35:36,050 --> 01:35:33,300
remember in search of Leonard Nimoy the

2356
01:35:37,669 --> 01:35:36,060
best and I remember it's one of my

2357
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:37,679
earliest memories sitting down with my

2358
01:35:43,810 --> 01:35:40,800
dad to watch in search of and like that

2359
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:43,820
I think it was Congos in the beginning

2360
01:35:49,610 --> 01:35:46,560
70s music and like at some point they

2361
01:35:51,649 --> 01:35:49,620
show a Chris a skull and that would

2362
01:35:53,330 --> 01:35:51,659
scare the [\h__\h] out of me as a kid like I

2363
01:35:55,729 --> 01:35:53,340
would be paralyzed just by looking at

2364
01:35:57,950 --> 01:35:55,739
let's go so I've always been interested

2365
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:57,960
in this stuff from from as long as I can

2366
01:36:02,810 --> 01:36:00,000
remember and I think the evolution of

2367
01:36:04,910 --> 01:36:02,820
that has like taken me down a lot of

2368
01:36:08,570 --> 01:36:04,920
different paths but eventually when you

2369
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:08,580
get older it's like the the frosting

2370
01:36:13,850 --> 01:36:12,000
stuff the aliens the Illuminati the all

2371
01:36:16,129 --> 01:36:13,860
that stuff even though it might be cool

2372
01:36:19,970 --> 01:36:16,139
you get to the point of like I can't be

2373
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:19,980
an angry drunk every single day I need

2374
01:36:25,310 --> 01:36:22,800
to calm down I've got to actually like

2375
01:36:27,530 --> 01:36:25,320
relax in the world and that's I think

2376
01:36:29,810 --> 01:36:27,540
what led me to sort of like Buddhism and

2377
01:36:31,850 --> 01:36:29,820
ramdas it was very it wasn't very

2378
01:36:36,350 --> 01:36:31,860
romantic it was more along the lines of

2379
01:36:38,270 --> 01:36:36,360
like [\h__\h] my mom died I had cancer I

2380
01:36:40,490 --> 01:36:38,280
feel like [\h__\h] A lot of the time I think

2381
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:40,500
I kind of hate myself I don't want to

2382
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:42,480
live my whole life like this this sucks

2383
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:45,600
this is not how I want to be and so then

2384
01:36:50,270 --> 01:36:47,520
you know I got just got lucky and

2385
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,280
stumbled upon ramdas's teachings which

2386
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:52,560
led me to Buddhism which led me to my

2387
01:36:58,729 --> 01:36:55,199
meditation teacher and now I think I'm

2388
01:37:00,590 --> 01:36:58,739
maybe four percent less neurotic and I'm

2389
01:37:03,290 --> 01:37:00,600
happy with that I'll take four percent

2390
01:37:05,870 --> 01:37:03,300
man he just died you know a year or so

2391
01:37:08,510 --> 01:37:05,880
ago and I didn't know him at near Liz

2392
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:08,520
I'd never met him and didn't read nor

2393
01:37:14,030 --> 01:37:10,800
nearly as much as you but I felt that

2394
01:37:16,610 --> 01:37:14,040
loss it just was oh yeah person he was

2395
01:37:18,350 --> 01:37:16,620
you know yeah that's you felt it a lot

2396
01:37:20,030 --> 01:37:18,360
of people who never met him found and

2397
01:37:23,090 --> 01:37:20,040
you should have felt it because it you

2398
01:37:26,270 --> 01:37:23,100
know it it was a it's a big deal I mean

2399
01:37:30,110 --> 01:37:26,280
he was the I think the

2400
01:37:32,330 --> 01:37:30,120
a real like true spiritual leader in the

2401
01:37:35,149 --> 01:37:32,340
best way possible just somebody who's

2402
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:35,159
inviting you to stop being at war with

2403
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:38,400
yourself and like where you're at right

2404
01:37:43,490 --> 01:37:41,760
now is just exactly where you need to be

2405
01:37:44,990 --> 01:37:43,500
you know a lot of people don't want to

2406
01:37:46,490 --> 01:37:45,000
hear that they want to always imagine

2407
01:37:48,290 --> 01:37:46,500
there's a Finish Line or there's

2408
01:37:50,330 --> 01:37:48,300
something around the corner right we

2409
01:37:52,850 --> 01:37:50,340
missed out so much he was so good and

2410
01:37:54,770 --> 01:37:52,860
like being honest about his own life and

2411
01:37:56,810 --> 01:37:54,780
not putting on Heirs of being this or

2412
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:56,820
that and I think he was just the perfect

2413
01:38:01,970 --> 01:37:58,560
teacher for the time we're in right now

2414
01:38:03,649 --> 01:38:01,980
so uh yeah it was a you know it was a

2415
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:03,659
loss I think he

2416
01:38:07,129 --> 01:38:05,520
I remember one of these Retreats I would

2417
01:38:08,510 --> 01:38:07,139
interview him I would get to interview

2418
01:38:10,729 --> 01:38:08,520
him they would like let me go to the

2419
01:38:14,030 --> 01:38:10,739
retreat really yeah yeah I would get and

2420
01:38:17,330 --> 01:38:15,649
I was standing next to him right before

2421
01:38:19,250 --> 01:38:17,340
we went on stage and he's in the

2422
01:38:22,030 --> 01:38:19,260
wheelchair it's ramdas I mean this is

2423
01:38:26,750 --> 01:38:22,040
like someone who's like Jesus

2424
01:38:28,129 --> 01:38:26,760
I know but I mean you know well a holy

2425
01:38:30,229 --> 01:38:28,139
man in a sense here's what's great about

2426
01:38:33,770 --> 01:38:30,239
him

2427
01:38:35,930 --> 01:38:33,780
he just was really good at not letting

2428
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,940
you do that to him yeah and I remember

2429
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:37,440
like

2430
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,000
really you see the culmination of a

2431
01:38:52,430 --> 01:38:50,159
lifetime of practice and honesty with

2432
01:38:55,129 --> 01:38:52,440
oneself but I looked down I'm like I'm

2433
01:38:56,890 --> 01:38:55,139
nervous and he got this big smile and he

2434
01:38:59,450 --> 01:38:56,900
goes me too

2435
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,460
it was such a cool moment like he was

2436
01:39:05,450 --> 01:39:01,440
always doing things like that you know

2437
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,460
like like sort of helping you get out of

2438
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:07,440
the

2439
01:39:12,530 --> 01:39:09,840
very human

2440
01:39:13,970 --> 01:39:12,540
desire to raise someone up on a pedestal

2441
01:39:16,669 --> 01:39:13,980
yeah we've never actually really talked

2442
01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:16,679
about this but a lot of my life in the

2443
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:18,719
Athletics right the Marshall Athletics I

2444
01:39:23,930 --> 01:39:21,360
also you know taught a form of yoga for

2445
01:39:26,090 --> 01:39:23,940
martial athletes yeah and I traveled the

2446
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:26,100
globe I would Spin The Globe but not a

2447
01:39:29,330 --> 01:39:27,600
metaphor I'd spin the globe and wait

2448
01:39:31,610 --> 01:39:29,340
where my finger dropped and I'm gonna go

2449
01:39:33,410 --> 01:39:31,620
find the martial art there or I'm going

2450
01:39:36,169 --> 01:39:33,420
to find the spiritual teacher there and

2451
01:39:38,030 --> 01:39:36,179
see what's up 99.9 of people that I met

2452
01:39:39,890 --> 01:39:38,040
were [\h__\h] charlatans straight up I

2453
01:39:42,169 --> 01:39:39,900
mean I went to like poon India stayed at

2454
01:39:43,850 --> 01:39:42,179
osho's ashram they [\h__\h] drugged me

2455
01:39:47,870 --> 01:39:43,860
I'm sure of it had to go to the hospital

2456
01:39:50,090 --> 01:39:47,880
all this [\h__\h] super [\h__\h] trippy but I

2457
01:39:52,189 --> 01:39:50,100
did go to Oregon with the bhagwan Shri

2458
01:39:54,169 --> 01:39:52,199
Raj Nation no so this was this is after

2459
01:39:55,790 --> 01:39:54,179
so after I was I was a little bit after

2460
01:39:58,129 --> 01:39:55,800
that phase but it was it's the same guy

2461
01:40:00,890 --> 01:39:58,139
it's the same guy he's got this huge in

2462
01:40:03,649 --> 01:40:00,900
in Poon India he has these huge temple

2463
01:40:04,729 --> 01:40:03,659
with these pyramids like black pyramids

2464
01:40:06,830 --> 01:40:04,739
straight out of the movie Beyond the

2465
01:40:09,050 --> 01:40:06,840
Black rainbow that's [\h__\h] amazing you

2466
01:40:10,729 --> 01:40:09,060
have to go get like an HIV test just to

2467
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:10,739
enter which I thought that must be an

2468
01:40:14,090 --> 01:40:12,719
old school rule what's going on here I

2469
01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:14,100
learned so much they're like take off

2470
01:40:17,689 --> 01:40:15,840
your clothes underneath that like thing

2471
01:40:19,850 --> 01:40:17,699
you have to wear I'm like these guys are

2472
01:40:21,790 --> 01:40:19,860
weird I had a weird experience there I

2473
01:40:25,310 --> 01:40:21,800
got really sick that's where I came down

2474
01:40:27,290 --> 01:40:25,320
I hope you're not brushing past the take

2475
01:40:31,010 --> 01:40:27,300
off your clothes moment like oh yeah

2476
01:40:32,990 --> 01:40:31,020
what happened so the head the head guru

2477
01:40:34,910 --> 01:40:33,000
chick right who was running it she

2478
01:40:37,129 --> 01:40:34,920
eyeballed me from day one like oh this

2479
01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:37,139
guy's not a Believer or something so I

2480
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:38,820
was wearing like I don't know my jeans

2481
01:40:42,410 --> 01:40:40,320
or something they told you to put on

2482
01:40:44,510 --> 01:40:42,420
this robe to go like watch videos of

2483
01:40:46,189 --> 01:40:44,520
this Guru like on this big screen and

2484
01:40:48,649 --> 01:40:46,199
[\h__\h] and she looks at me and she's like

2485
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:48,659
you must not wear clothes under that I'm

2486
01:40:53,209 --> 01:40:51,600
like why yeah like all right I mean it

2487
01:40:56,450 --> 01:40:53,219
was hilarious and that's kind of hot

2488
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:56,460
that's what it was not not for me but

2489
01:41:00,890 --> 01:40:58,080
like you know it was weird for me so I

2490
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,900
was like okay cool so anyway the the

2491
01:41:04,430 --> 01:41:02,639
point is did you did you take your

2492
01:41:06,410 --> 01:41:04,440
clothes off oh yeah what did you ordered

2493
01:41:09,709 --> 01:41:06,420
you do underneath yeah I just wore a

2494
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:09,719
robe right she was cute then right

2495
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,760
sister that's why I came down with the

2496
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:13,199
valley fever thing and I started

2497
01:41:18,649 --> 01:41:16,560
hallucinating was in his like ashram

2498
01:41:20,810 --> 01:41:18,659
that that dude's thing that I found out

2499
01:41:22,129 --> 01:41:20,820
later I had this major Illness but I was

2500
01:41:23,870 --> 01:41:22,139
sure that they had poisoned me because

2501
01:41:26,570 --> 01:41:23,880
when do you get 107 degree temperature

2502
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:26,580
like on the armpit you're seeing visions

2503
01:41:30,530 --> 01:41:28,560
two days I was out hearing dead people

2504
01:41:32,090 --> 01:41:30,540
like I was [\h__\h] up and I was sure that

2505
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:32,100
they had poisoned me turns out I got

2506
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:33,840
valley fever that's what was going on

2507
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:35,520
but they were holding my passport

2508
01:41:40,189 --> 01:41:37,440
hostage because they didn't want to dead

2509
01:41:42,290 --> 01:41:40,199
dudes anyway let me back up the the

2510
01:41:44,090 --> 01:41:42,300
point of this story is I got to kind of

2511
01:41:46,250 --> 01:41:44,100
engage with some of these these people

2512
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:46,260
most charlatans but people that that you

2513
01:41:50,930 --> 01:41:49,199
know have big followings though I I did

2514
01:41:53,810 --> 01:41:50,940
meet to I get I did get to meet your

2515
01:41:55,970 --> 01:41:53,820
buddy one time romdas cool we have a

2516
01:41:58,250 --> 01:41:55,980
common friend Justin Beretta from the

2517
01:42:01,370 --> 01:41:58,260
Glitch okay gotcha yeah and he like did

2518
01:42:03,890 --> 01:42:01,380
music with ramdas talk yeah man Justin

2519
01:42:06,290 --> 01:42:03,900
was a jiu jitsu student of mine what is

2520
01:42:09,050 --> 01:42:06,300
a good friend from back in college he's

2521
01:42:10,990 --> 01:42:09,060
exploded into being a musician with this

2522
01:42:14,510 --> 01:42:11,000
thing called The Glitch

2523
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:14,520
yeah but also did something with ROM Das

2524
01:42:20,090 --> 01:42:17,520
but uh I had one experience where I met

2525
01:42:22,609 --> 01:42:20,100
somebody where I had an actual

2526
01:42:25,010 --> 01:42:22,619
experience that I can't account for it

2527
01:42:27,649 --> 01:42:25,020
was Baba haridas is that somebody yeah

2528
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:27,659
he had like a big he's a guru guy an

2529
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:30,239
Indian guy yeah so I went to New York

2530
01:42:34,189 --> 01:42:32,400
and I was teaching out there it was Jiu

2531
01:42:37,010 --> 01:42:34,199
Jitsu at the time and this guy's coming

2532
01:42:38,510 --> 01:42:37,020
through town so I went to go see him and

2533
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,520
it was this weird experience because I'm

2534
01:42:42,050 --> 01:42:40,320
not like an innately spiritual person

2535
01:42:44,270 --> 01:42:42,060
like in the way that other people talk

2536
01:42:46,010 --> 01:42:44,280
about it right so I'm sitting there and

2537
01:42:47,870 --> 01:42:46,020
this guy's just like silent for like 40

2538
01:42:49,250 --> 01:42:47,880
minutes I'm like what the [\h__\h] is going

2539
01:42:51,649 --> 01:42:49,260
on so I started thinking all these

2540
01:42:53,209 --> 01:42:51,659
things a bunch of things right

2541
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:53,219
he starts talking

2542
01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:54,960
I swear to God it was like he was

2543
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:57,360
answering every single thing almost

2544
01:43:01,430 --> 01:42:59,280
directly that I was thinking so then I

2545
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,440
go oh that's his trick he sits there

2546
01:43:05,149 --> 01:43:03,360
quiet knows what everybody's gonna think

2547
01:43:06,410 --> 01:43:05,159
then he's just gonna say it because

2548
01:43:08,810 --> 01:43:06,420
we're all thinking the same thing what's

2549
01:43:10,129 --> 01:43:08,820
this [\h__\h] guy doing right so that's

2550
01:43:11,689 --> 01:43:10,139
where I was at

2551
01:43:13,070 --> 01:43:11,699
start to walk out they're throwing like

2552
01:43:14,750 --> 01:43:13,080
flower petals in front of this guy's

2553
01:43:16,970 --> 01:43:14,760
feet I'm like I'm [\h__\h] out of here so

2554
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:16,980
I beeline it to this elevator to escape

2555
01:43:20,990 --> 01:43:19,440
the whole procession out yeah next thing

2556
01:43:22,370 --> 01:43:21,000
I know I turn around and he [\h__\h]

2557
01:43:25,129 --> 01:43:22,380
walks right up to me

2558
01:43:26,930 --> 01:43:25,139
and looks at me like stops dead in his

2559
01:43:28,850 --> 01:43:26,940
tracks and looks at me and by the way I

2560
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,860
was in the back I wasn't like the guy on

2561
01:43:32,570 --> 01:43:30,239
the front being like what is this about

2562
01:43:34,970 --> 01:43:32,580
I was like hiding Right comes right up

2563
01:43:37,490 --> 01:43:34,980
to me looks me in the eyes and I don't

2564
01:43:39,050 --> 01:43:37,500
remember exactly what he said but it but

2565
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:39,060
the look in his eye I don't know if he

2566
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:40,560
even said anything the look in his eyes

2567
01:43:46,910 --> 01:43:43,920
was just like one of like absolute pain

2568
01:43:49,490 --> 01:43:46,920
and sorrow as if all of these

2569
01:43:52,910 --> 01:43:49,500
processions around him and all this

2570
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:52,920
stuff was just so terribly annoying to

2571
01:43:57,229 --> 01:43:54,960
him that it was like I am deeply

2572
01:43:58,910 --> 01:43:57,239
misunderstood that was the message that

2573
01:44:01,850 --> 01:43:58,920
I got but I just thought it was so weird

2574
01:44:03,709 --> 01:44:01,860
because you know this guy that I sit sit

2575
01:44:05,689 --> 01:44:03,719
in silence with and this is not my stuff

2576
01:44:08,030 --> 01:44:05,699
you know me especially at this time but

2577
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,040
I went anyway and then for him to say

2578
01:44:12,350 --> 01:44:10,080
all these things exactly that were on my

2579
01:44:14,209 --> 01:44:12,360
mind I was kind of like that's weird and

2580
01:44:16,850 --> 01:44:14,219
then when he came up to me to have that

2581
01:44:19,970 --> 01:44:16,860
like strange immediate thing where I

2582
01:44:22,129 --> 01:44:19,980
could see this look on his of pain that

2583
01:44:24,290 --> 01:44:22,139
he was being followed this much you know

2584
01:44:26,510 --> 01:44:24,300
I'm maybe I was completely wrong but it

2585
01:44:29,090 --> 01:44:26,520
was a very profound experience for me it

2586
01:44:32,270 --> 01:44:29,100
taught me that day whether or not he was

2587
01:44:34,090 --> 01:44:32,280
teaching it it taught me that day that

2588
01:44:37,129 --> 01:44:34,100
every single being every single person

2589
01:44:38,450 --> 01:44:37,139
has a greatest potential and we're never

2590
01:44:40,370 --> 01:44:38,460
going to make we're never going to make

2591
01:44:42,890 --> 01:44:40,380
to our greatest potential but if we can

2592
01:44:44,930 --> 01:44:42,900
make it most of the way then that would

2593
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:44,940
be cool wouldn't it well yeah sure I

2594
01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:47,040
mean this is the like great Paradox of

2595
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:49,020
it all is like the idea I mean this is

2596
01:44:53,450 --> 01:44:52,080
really quite this is really bad news for

2597
01:44:56,209 --> 01:44:53,460
a lot of people which is you're at your

2598
01:44:58,430 --> 01:44:56,219
greatest potential that that you just

2599
01:45:00,350 --> 01:44:58,440
where you're at right now this is it and

2600
01:45:03,229 --> 01:45:00,360
that the dream of the greatest potential

2601
01:45:04,910 --> 01:45:03,239
is a form of self-crucifixion you build

2602
01:45:06,649 --> 01:45:04,920
this idea of what you could be then you

2603
01:45:08,990 --> 01:45:06,659
nail yourself to it we live in it

2604
01:45:11,930 --> 01:45:09,000
goal-oriented time where everyone is in

2605
01:45:13,609 --> 01:45:11,940
a self-improvement project which is fine

2606
01:45:15,470 --> 01:45:13,619
it's not to say you know you shouldn't

2607
01:45:18,050 --> 01:45:15,480
like try to live a healthier life or

2608
01:45:21,470 --> 01:45:18,060
anything like that but usually what the

2609
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:21,480
fuel people are using to get themselves

2610
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:24,800
to that healthy life shame guilt

2611
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:27,600
self-hate and and that is a really

2612
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:31,199
terrible fuel to use is and it seems

2613
01:45:36,109 --> 01:45:34,080
like how do you expect to get to a place

2614
01:45:39,169 --> 01:45:36,119
where you're going to love yourself by

2615
01:45:42,350 --> 01:45:39,179
hating yourself all the way there so the

2616
01:45:46,189 --> 01:45:42,360
the you know that's sort of the

2617
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:46,199
the what I love about about it is it's

2618
01:45:50,330 --> 01:45:48,480
really like you know uh Pima children

2619
01:45:52,609 --> 01:45:50,340
you get into her much premature you

2620
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:52,619
would love her she's great she was a

2621
01:45:55,850 --> 01:45:54,719
student of children trumpet and like

2622
01:45:57,169 --> 01:45:55,860
when she was talking about meditation

2623
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:57,179
she says

2624
01:46:00,709 --> 01:45:59,280
you know a lot of people start

2625
01:46:02,930 --> 01:46:00,719
meditating

2626
01:46:04,850 --> 01:46:02,940
because they want to be different than

2627
01:46:06,890 --> 01:46:04,860
the way they are and that's starting

2628
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:06,900
your spiritual practice with hostility

2629
01:46:14,270 --> 01:46:09,840
towards yourself you're starting on the

2630
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:14,280
path by like being so unhappy with where

2631
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:17,520
you are and thinking oh the way right

2632
01:46:22,970 --> 01:46:18,960
around that bend right by the Black

2633
01:46:32,290 --> 01:46:22,980
Pyramid where I was pegged in India by a

2634
01:46:37,070 --> 01:46:34,490
that's where I'm gonna be better for

2635
01:46:38,689 --> 01:46:37,080
good moments or when the UFOs come right

2636
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:38,699
or when the singularity happens or when

2637
01:46:42,890 --> 01:46:41,040
all this there's this dream that right

2638
01:46:44,990 --> 01:46:42,900
around the corner there's suffering

2639
01:46:46,910 --> 01:46:45,000
everyone's experiencing it's gonna end

2640
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:46,920
and then everything will be better and

2641
01:46:52,189 --> 01:46:49,920
and the general

2642
01:46:53,410 --> 01:46:52,199
the general teaching seems to be

2643
01:46:57,890 --> 01:46:53,420
actually

2644
01:47:00,410 --> 01:46:57,900
no that is not the remedy the remedy is

2645
01:47:02,209 --> 01:47:00,420
not constantly trying to get to the next

2646
01:47:04,669 --> 01:47:02,219
place but

2647
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:04,679
being just where you are and finding a

2648
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:07,440
way to stop trying to escape from that

2649
01:47:12,169 --> 01:47:09,840
part of yourself that you have what we

2650
01:47:13,850 --> 01:47:12,179
all pour booze on it's a part of

2651
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:13,860
yourself you pour booze on as a part of

2652
01:47:17,629 --> 01:47:16,080
yourself that you you it keeps you awake

2653
01:47:21,050 --> 01:47:17,639
at night it's a part of yourself that

2654
01:47:22,490 --> 01:47:21,060
you God it's it's the shadow that

2655
01:47:25,850 --> 01:47:22,500
[\h__\h] thing man it's the part of

2656
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:25,860
yourself that makes you ferociously and

2657
01:47:34,430 --> 01:47:29,600
diligently masturbate to porn

2658
01:47:35,950 --> 01:47:34,440
at 3am if you're me but that's being in

2659
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:35,960
the moment

2660
01:47:45,709 --> 01:47:41,760
cover that stuff in your podcast it's

2661
01:47:47,390 --> 01:47:45,719
not normal fare for a comedian but I

2662
01:47:50,090 --> 01:47:47,400
mean you do you do it really well and it

2663
01:47:52,250 --> 01:47:50,100
seems like the idea is you wanna

2664
01:47:54,290 --> 01:47:52,260
it maybe you don't want to educate but

2665
01:47:56,330 --> 01:47:54,300
you want to share this with people who

2666
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:56,340
are open to the idea and need it I mean

2667
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:59,280
you know what my intent there God I'd

2668
01:48:05,570 --> 01:48:01,440
love to say that I was like God I want

2669
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:05,580
to be altruistic like that my uh I love

2670
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:06,960
these conference like the conversation

2671
01:48:12,770 --> 01:48:09,679
we're having right now this will fuel me

2672
01:48:14,209 --> 01:48:12,780
for like weeks I'll think about I'll

2673
01:48:15,470 --> 01:48:14,219
think about stuff you said I'll think

2674
01:48:17,870 --> 01:48:15,480
about stuff you said I'll kicking her

2675
01:48:20,810 --> 01:48:17,880
out of my head I'll write about it it

2676
01:48:23,570 --> 01:48:20,820
just I just love it and so that is what

2677
01:48:25,010 --> 01:48:23,580
I'm up to and I love that people that I

2678
01:48:26,450 --> 01:48:25,020
get to share those conversations with

2679
01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:26,460
people I mean that does make me happy

2680
01:48:31,729 --> 01:48:28,980
when I hear when I get contacted by

2681
01:48:34,189 --> 01:48:31,739
people who you tell me this conversation

2682
01:48:39,050 --> 01:48:34,199
or that conversation help them but yeah

2683
01:48:41,810 --> 01:48:39,060
I my in my intent behind it is just Jo I

2684
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:41,820
just love talking to these people I love

2685
01:48:45,770 --> 01:48:43,440
like just what you're talking about

2686
01:48:49,550 --> 01:48:45,780
those moments where you encounter

2687
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:49,560
someone who has lived a Divergent

2688
01:48:55,729 --> 01:48:52,800
lifestyle a normal lifestyle is like

2689
01:48:58,370 --> 01:48:55,739
nine to five job career you're with

2690
01:49:00,530 --> 01:48:58,380
someone who is like their entire lives

2691
01:49:04,070 --> 01:49:00,540
focused on what it is to be a human

2692
01:49:07,790 --> 01:49:04,080
consciousness and sentience and God and

2693
01:49:11,689 --> 01:49:07,800
and when you get around a person like

2694
01:49:14,209 --> 01:49:11,699
that it shows you who you are I would

2695
01:49:16,729 --> 01:49:14,219
say I would wonder when you were saying

2696
01:49:19,609 --> 01:49:16,739
that I would wonder like

2697
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:19,619
if that was my experience and that he

2698
01:49:24,410 --> 01:49:21,840
was a mirror to me yeah yeah totally

2699
01:49:28,370 --> 01:49:26,030
as they say is when you get around to

2700
01:49:30,770 --> 01:49:28,380
being like that

2701
01:49:33,050 --> 01:49:30,780
they don't really have this the identity

2702
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:33,060
that like a lot of people have there's

2703
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:35,040
not really an identity there in the

2704
01:49:38,570 --> 01:49:36,719
normal sense and so they're mirrors

2705
01:49:40,010 --> 01:49:38,580
they're energetic mirrors so when you

2706
01:49:41,510 --> 01:49:40,020
get around them what's happening is

2707
01:49:43,729 --> 01:49:41,520
you're seeing yourself you're seeing

2708
01:49:45,770 --> 01:49:43,739
where you're at right now through them

2709
01:49:48,890 --> 01:49:45,780
and and that that can be a really

2710
01:49:52,250 --> 01:49:48,900
painful experience or a really wonderful

2711
01:49:54,890 --> 01:49:52,260
experience or a mix do you think that um

2712
01:49:58,669 --> 01:49:54,900
beings that you encounter

2713
01:50:00,649 --> 01:49:58,679
under say DMT or psilocybin there are a

2714
01:50:03,290 --> 01:50:00,659
lot of conversations that are published

2715
01:50:05,810 --> 01:50:03,300
that people come back and relate their

2716
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:05,820
experiences that those are actual beings

2717
01:50:09,169 --> 01:50:07,920
or it's something that you create in

2718
01:50:12,290 --> 01:50:09,179
your head that there's something out

2719
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:12,300
that you can contact uh by hitting some

2720
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:14,400
other level with substances or whatever

2721
01:50:19,609 --> 01:50:17,280
okay I just had Andrew Gallimore on my

2722
01:50:22,010 --> 01:50:19,619
podcast if you're into psychedelics he's

2723
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:22,020
a great Twitter follow and he's written

2724
01:50:26,930 --> 01:50:24,800
a wonderful book on the

2725
01:50:28,850 --> 01:50:26,940
neurochemistry of these psychedelics and

2726
01:50:30,350 --> 01:50:28,860
so in this podcast he was telling me

2727
01:50:33,169 --> 01:50:30,360
that

2728
01:50:34,609 --> 01:50:33,179
uh he had the Navy they actually I think

2729
01:50:35,810 --> 01:50:34,619
they did it at Oxford they did this

2730
01:50:39,709 --> 01:50:35,820
study I could be wrong about the college

2731
01:50:40,910 --> 01:50:39,719
but basically he realized that using

2732
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:40,920
what we already understand about

2733
01:50:46,850 --> 01:50:44,159
anesthesia measuring the amount of

2734
01:50:48,530 --> 01:50:46,860
um chemicals and and the human

2735
01:50:50,330 --> 01:50:48,540
bloodstream to keep them at the level

2736
01:50:52,729 --> 01:50:50,340
you need them at to like put people

2737
01:50:56,209 --> 01:50:52,739
under he wondered what happens if we

2738
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:56,219
apply that to DMT what happens if we put

2739
01:51:00,890 --> 01:50:58,320
the amount of DMT it takes to do the

2740
01:51:03,470 --> 01:51:00,900
Breakthrough state in somebody and keep

2741
01:51:05,870 --> 01:51:03,480
it there for longer than the six ten

2742
01:51:08,090 --> 01:51:05,880
minute Blast Off experience you get

2743
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:08,100
where you make where you commune with

2744
01:51:12,350 --> 01:51:09,440
these beings

2745
01:51:14,930 --> 01:51:12,360
uh there could be a lot of scientific

2746
01:51:19,250 --> 01:51:14,940
benefit to not just understanding DMT

2747
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:19,260
but exploring uh

2748
01:51:24,169 --> 01:51:22,800
that Universe like for example what's

2749
01:51:27,490 --> 01:51:24,179
interesting about DMT and a few other

2750
01:51:30,709 --> 01:51:27,500
psychedelics is the similarity between

2751
01:51:32,689 --> 01:51:30,719
experiences versus like other

2752
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:32,699
psychedelics that seem to be more of a

2753
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:35,040
projection of I don't know Consciousness

2754
01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:37,199
onto the world or something like that a

2755
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:39,360
distortion of Consciousness or you know

2756
01:51:49,129 --> 01:51:44,000
DMT everyone sees the same weird circusy

2757
01:51:50,990 --> 01:51:49,139
uh organic hyper technological uh

2758
01:51:53,450 --> 01:51:51,000
architecture in their kind of weird

2759
01:51:55,070 --> 01:51:53,460
language and of course the machine elves

2760
01:51:57,470 --> 01:51:55,080
as Terence McKenna described them and

2761
01:51:59,930 --> 01:51:57,480
all the the whatever those are so

2762
01:52:01,490 --> 01:51:59,940
they've done the study already it's I

2763
01:52:03,890 --> 01:52:01,500
don't think it's been released yet where

2764
01:52:06,290 --> 01:52:03,900
they put people like I don't want to say

2765
01:52:08,330 --> 01:52:06,300
put them under put them over I guess

2766
01:52:11,629 --> 01:52:08,340
with DMT but yeah I don't know what you

2767
01:52:14,350 --> 01:52:11,639
call it but the put them through and uh

2768
01:52:16,850 --> 01:52:14,360
to find out what's going on there but

2769
01:52:19,490 --> 01:52:16,860
Gallimore said that if you look at the

2770
01:52:21,590 --> 01:52:19,500
human brain when it is

2771
01:52:25,490 --> 01:52:21,600
on DMT

2772
01:52:27,410 --> 01:52:25,500
you it's like watching a radio switch

2773
01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:27,420
channels it goes through a staticky

2774
01:52:33,169 --> 01:52:29,760
chaotic State and then all of a sudden

2775
01:52:37,370 --> 01:52:33,179
it completely like shifts into a

2776
01:52:40,189 --> 01:52:37,380
different modality of perception and he

2777
01:52:42,890 --> 01:52:40,199
said regardless of the

2778
01:52:45,050 --> 01:52:42,900
whether or not these beings are a

2779
01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:45,060
product of

2780
01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:48,960
the the unconscious or whether they're

2781
01:52:52,850 --> 01:52:51,119
extra-dimensional beings that DMT is

2782
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:52,860
allowing you to see what's really

2783
01:52:58,250 --> 01:52:55,920
interesting about the fact that your

2784
01:53:02,050 --> 01:52:58,260
brain is shifting into this new way of

2785
01:53:05,209 --> 01:53:02,060
perceiving reality is that it implies

2786
01:53:08,649 --> 01:53:05,219
that we evolve to do that the amount of

2787
01:53:11,149 --> 01:53:08,659
time it took to evolve our brains to

2788
01:53:14,270 --> 01:53:11,159
instantaneously weave reality into what

2789
01:53:16,010 --> 01:53:14,280
it is right now is already it's insane

2790
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:16,020
that we even did that but to think that

2791
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:17,520
we also

2792
01:53:22,910 --> 01:53:19,920
built into us when we come into contact

2793
01:53:25,609 --> 01:53:22,920
with DMT suddenly our brain like it

2794
01:53:27,649 --> 01:53:25,619
knows how to do it just shifts gears and

2795
01:53:30,410 --> 01:53:27,659
changes the way it perceives reality

2796
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:30,420
what the [\h__\h] does that mean what is the

2797
01:53:38,750 --> 01:53:32,639
evolutionary

2798
01:53:39,950 --> 01:53:38,760
use of being able to see to the stable

2799
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:39,960
mode right because you're saying

2800
01:53:43,729 --> 01:53:42,000
otherwise it would just be chaos because

2801
01:53:45,770 --> 01:53:43,739
the brain hasn't evolved to be able to

2802
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:45,780
assimilate but after they get through

2803
01:53:50,330 --> 01:53:48,480
the static period there's some sort of

2804
01:53:52,250 --> 01:53:50,340
frequency let's say because you're using

2805
01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:52,260
the radio terminology yeah where there

2806
01:53:55,970 --> 01:53:54,239
is order and so what you're saying is

2807
01:53:59,390 --> 01:53:55,980
that the human brain must have evolved

2808
01:54:01,490 --> 01:53:59,400
to the point where it could accept that

2809
01:54:02,450 --> 01:54:01,500
moment and create order out of it is

2810
01:54:05,810 --> 01:54:02,460
that what you're saying yeah right

2811
01:54:07,850 --> 01:54:05,820
that's [\h__\h] it's like it's like uh I

2812
01:54:09,649 --> 01:54:07,860
don't know it's like finding like a

2813
01:54:12,410 --> 01:54:09,659
completely different different operating

2814
01:54:14,750 --> 01:54:12,420
system on your computer right that runs

2815
01:54:16,970 --> 01:54:14,760
completely different software what why

2816
01:54:19,370 --> 01:54:16,980
do we have dark web of the brain DMT

2817
01:54:20,350 --> 01:54:19,380
dark web what is that so yeah you know

2818
01:54:23,330 --> 01:54:20,360
like

2819
01:54:24,590 --> 01:54:23,340
I think that

2820
01:54:26,629 --> 01:54:24,600
um

2821
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,639
you know I was talking to my meditation

2822
01:54:31,129 --> 01:54:28,800
teacher so cheesy to say that David Nick

2823
01:54:32,030 --> 01:54:31,139
turn about

2824
01:54:33,649 --> 01:54:32,040
um

2825
01:54:36,709 --> 01:54:33,659
you know in Tibetan Buddhism there's

2826
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:36,719
there's deities that you visualize and

2827
01:54:43,250 --> 01:54:38,719
there's an entire

2828
01:54:46,129 --> 01:54:43,260
Pantheon of saints and beings

2829
01:54:47,870 --> 01:54:46,139
Buddhas and I you know I was asking him

2830
01:54:49,310 --> 01:54:47,880
like but is it considered are they

2831
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:49,320
considered to be real

2832
01:54:53,350 --> 01:54:52,320
and he's like well there is real as you

2833
01:54:58,250 --> 01:54:53,360
are

2834
01:55:01,430 --> 01:54:58,260
these stories you hear of people either

2835
01:55:03,290 --> 01:55:01,440
on DMT or remote viewing they project

2836
01:55:04,970 --> 01:55:03,300
their Consciousness out there one way or

2837
01:55:07,790 --> 01:55:04,980
another and they encounter some other

2838
01:55:09,950 --> 01:55:07,800
intelligence and sometimes the encounter

2839
01:55:12,129 --> 01:55:09,960
is negative get the hell out of here who

2840
01:55:14,450 --> 01:55:12,139
are you why are you here

2841
01:55:16,609 --> 01:55:14,460
either you're not ready or you're

2842
01:55:23,149 --> 01:55:16,619
intruding kind of a thing yeah that's

2843
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:26,510
if you read just any grimoire any occult

2844
01:55:29,149 --> 01:55:27,360
book

2845
01:55:30,950 --> 01:55:29,159
they what I love about them is they all

2846
01:55:32,450 --> 01:55:30,960
start with a warning generally there's a

2847
01:55:35,450 --> 01:55:32,460
warning like don't [\h__\h] with this this

2848
01:55:38,270 --> 01:55:35,460
is real like you know don't this and I

2849
01:55:39,890 --> 01:55:38,280
don't know if that warning is there to

2850
01:55:42,169 --> 01:55:39,900
protect people or to lure them in

2851
01:55:43,729 --> 01:55:42,179
because people who open grimoires that's

2852
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:43,739
like the most exciting thing like oh

2853
01:55:49,550 --> 01:55:46,320
[\h__\h] I'm not supposed to do this ritual

2854
01:55:50,209 --> 01:55:49,560
or that ritual or whatever it may be but

2855
01:55:55,609 --> 01:55:50,219
um

2856
01:56:01,129 --> 01:55:59,450
ramdas famously he he was he actually

2857
01:56:04,070 --> 01:56:01,139
had a channeled being that he was

2858
01:56:06,169 --> 01:56:04,080
friends with named Emmanuel and Emmanuel

2859
01:56:07,970 --> 01:56:06,179
said to him

2860
01:56:11,229 --> 01:56:07,980
just because something doesn't have a

2861
01:56:13,970 --> 01:56:11,239
body doesn't mean you should trust it

2862
01:56:15,590 --> 01:56:13,980
you know I think that's very important

2863
01:56:19,010 --> 01:56:15,600
and just because something can read your

2864
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:19,020
mind doesn't mean anything other than

2865
01:56:22,729 --> 01:56:20,880
that like there seems to be an ability

2866
01:56:24,229 --> 01:56:22,739
to like tell you what you're thinking

2867
01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:24,239
that doesn't mean you should like bow

2868
01:56:28,550 --> 01:56:26,639
down to them right or anything so you

2869
01:56:33,109 --> 01:56:28,560
know I think that that's one of the

2870
01:56:35,209 --> 01:56:33,119
the problems of like our the

2871
01:56:37,010 --> 01:56:35,219
what is Terence McKenna calls it the

2872
01:56:38,810 --> 01:56:37,020
pharmacological Inquisition the fact

2873
01:56:40,729 --> 01:56:38,820
that we have gone into the dark ages of

2874
01:56:42,290 --> 01:56:40,739
psychedelics they completely ban them we

2875
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:42,300
don't know what they are because people

2876
01:56:45,250 --> 01:56:44,159
are taking these things and they're

2877
01:56:47,750 --> 01:56:45,260
meeting

2878
01:56:50,090 --> 01:56:47,760
beings and the beings are telling them

2879
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:50,100
all kinds of [\h__\h] and because the being

2880
01:56:53,629 --> 01:56:52,080
is like very colorful or because the

2881
01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:53,639
being is

2882
01:56:58,010 --> 01:56:55,920
um happening within the context of the

2883
01:56:59,689 --> 01:56:58,020
Psychedelic they immediately believe it

2884
01:57:01,370 --> 01:56:59,699
they're like oh it told me the world's

2885
01:57:03,470 --> 01:57:01,380
ending or oh it told me to go do this or

2886
01:57:05,870 --> 01:57:03,480
go do that it's like you don't know who

2887
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:05,880
that was yeah I always check the badge

2888
01:57:09,669 --> 01:57:08,159
number and IDs of every being the enters

2889
01:57:12,530 --> 01:57:09,679
my world because

2890
01:57:14,089 --> 01:57:12,540
I used to make fake IDs I don't know if

2891
01:57:16,729 --> 01:57:14,099
I can say that but I did you know it was

2892
01:57:19,490 --> 01:57:16,739
like you could make any ID you needed in

2893
01:57:21,229 --> 01:57:19,500
LA and so the thing is is that that's

2894
01:57:23,570 --> 01:57:21,239
that's something to do where we defer to

2895
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:23,580
Authority or perceived Authority and and

2896
01:57:28,550 --> 01:57:25,920
we do that because of laziness we

2897
01:57:30,229 --> 01:57:28,560
constantly do that oh they said this so

2898
01:57:31,850 --> 01:57:30,239
this is good this is what I could do

2899
01:57:34,129 --> 01:57:31,860
I've always been

2900
01:57:36,350 --> 01:57:34,139
um I don't know innately pugnacious like

2901
01:57:38,149 --> 01:57:36,360
against uh you know combative against

2902
01:57:40,609 --> 01:57:38,159
Authority and stuff like that yeah not

2903
01:57:42,050 --> 01:57:40,619
against but just I never take it for one

2904
01:57:44,209 --> 01:57:42,060
second somebody shows me some

2905
01:57:46,790 --> 01:57:44,219
qualification identification that that

2906
01:57:48,890 --> 01:57:46,800
means [\h__\h] but I think that it is within

2907
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:48,900
our nature to sometimes defer to

2908
01:57:53,810 --> 01:57:51,360
Authority and if that's in a spiritual

2909
01:57:55,729 --> 01:57:53,820
realm if that's in a realm of taking a

2910
01:57:56,930 --> 01:57:55,739
psychedelic where you're experiencing

2911
01:57:58,370 --> 01:57:56,940
something oh that must be really

2912
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:58,380
profound and important because it felt

2913
01:58:01,669 --> 01:57:59,760
like well let me tell you my dmst

2914
01:58:04,370 --> 01:58:01,679
experience I've [\h__\h] gotten an

2915
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:04,380
argument every goddamn time with this

2916
01:58:08,450 --> 01:58:06,719
intelligence right say I'm ancient and

2917
01:58:10,669 --> 01:58:08,460
Powerful I'm ancient and Powerful same

2918
01:58:12,350 --> 01:58:10,679
one same no no you know that's really

2919
01:58:14,030 --> 01:58:12,360
subjective it gets really weird it's

2920
01:58:15,410 --> 01:58:14,040
like a Cheshire Cat that winked at me

2921
01:58:18,050 --> 01:58:15,420
for a millisecond the first time I ever

2922
01:58:20,750 --> 01:58:18,060
tried it and then after there it was an

2923
01:58:22,250 --> 01:58:20,760
argument with the same entity again all

2924
01:58:24,350 --> 01:58:22,260
this is in my mind who knows if there's

2925
01:58:26,450 --> 01:58:24,360
any functional reality but my reaction

2926
01:58:29,930 --> 01:58:26,460
my older brothers They're laughing at me

2927
01:58:31,070 --> 01:58:29,940
because uh you know he knows that I have

2928
01:58:32,870 --> 01:58:31,080
a little problem with authority or

2929
01:58:35,990 --> 01:58:32,880
whatever you know so he's like laughing

2930
01:58:37,609 --> 01:58:36,000
but it was like a constant thing and I

2931
01:58:40,010 --> 01:58:37,619
don't know if it's my it might just be

2932
01:58:42,290 --> 01:58:40,020
that my egotistical resistance to any

2933
01:58:45,169 --> 01:58:42,300
kind of like superpower but it you know

2934
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:45,179
some other entity telling me but I would

2935
01:58:51,050 --> 01:58:48,000
get in arguments with this thing each

2936
01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:51,060
time being like really show me you're

2937
01:58:56,689 --> 01:58:53,520
watching a powerful show me right one

2938
01:58:58,129 --> 01:58:56,699
time it did but it wowed me you know

2939
01:59:00,109 --> 01:58:58,139
yeah

2940
01:59:02,089 --> 01:59:00,119
I don't know what that's about man all I

2941
01:59:04,850 --> 01:59:02,099
know is there there's has been value in

2942
01:59:06,649 --> 01:59:04,860
my life in experiencing that the very

2943
01:59:09,229 --> 01:59:06,659
limited number of times that I have yeah

2944
01:59:11,030 --> 01:59:09,239
and not not encouraging it for anybody

2945
01:59:13,729 --> 01:59:11,040
else it's the only thing that I ever

2946
01:59:16,370 --> 01:59:13,739
felt uh possessed my Consciousness in my

2947
01:59:17,990 --> 01:59:16,380
body externally that came in and

2948
01:59:20,990 --> 01:59:18,000
controlled my physical body was very

2949
01:59:24,589 --> 01:59:21,000
bizarre for me yeah but I did find Value

2950
01:59:26,030 --> 01:59:24,599
in the in having explored that you know

2951
01:59:28,490 --> 01:59:26,040
and if I had compared to not having

2952
01:59:30,530 --> 01:59:28,500
explored it yeah you know that right I

2953
01:59:34,129 --> 01:59:30,540
think it's again we get so caught up in

2954
01:59:36,830 --> 01:59:34,139
the reality of these beings I certainly

2955
01:59:39,830 --> 01:59:36,840
used to is it real is it not what is

2956
01:59:43,189 --> 01:59:39,840
this and and then within that you like

2957
01:59:46,189 --> 01:59:43,199
you you you can accidentally

2958
01:59:50,209 --> 01:59:46,199
uh miss the bigger picture which which

2959
01:59:56,930 --> 01:59:54,890
our minds are filters and that they're

2960
01:59:59,810 --> 01:59:56,940
filtering out a lot of data and some of

2961
02:00:03,169 --> 01:59:59,820
that data is really beautiful and poetic

2962
02:00:06,470 --> 02:00:03,179
and inspirational the whether or not

2963
02:00:07,850 --> 02:00:06,480
like we can one day like take these DMT

2964
02:00:09,830 --> 02:00:07,860
elfs and

2965
02:00:12,370 --> 02:00:09,840
put them like in a government hearing

2966
02:00:16,189 --> 02:00:12,380
which would be [\h__\h] hilarious

2967
02:00:17,390 --> 02:00:16,199
you know who who knows but I you know I

2968
02:00:20,450 --> 02:00:17,400
think that

2969
02:00:21,530 --> 02:00:20,460
uh can you like enjoying those moments

2970
02:00:24,470 --> 02:00:21,540
but then not getting too caught up in

2971
02:00:26,570 --> 02:00:24,480
them I mean this is the I the idea in a

2972
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:26,580
lot of Eastern Traditions is oh yeah you

2973
02:00:32,470 --> 02:00:29,280
can develop all kinds of powers like

2974
02:00:35,270 --> 02:00:32,480
cities is what they call them uh you can

2975
02:00:38,390 --> 02:00:35,280
turn yourself into a rainbow walk

2976
02:00:41,270 --> 02:00:38,400
through a wall you can levitate you can

2977
02:00:42,770 --> 02:00:41,280
blah blah blah on and on and on and that

2978
02:00:46,430 --> 02:00:42,780
uh

2979
02:00:49,010 --> 02:00:46,440
in some like monastic communities you're

2980
02:00:50,450 --> 02:00:49,020
told like whatever happens within the

2981
02:00:52,370 --> 02:00:50,460
walls of the monastery things you see

2982
02:00:55,129 --> 02:00:52,380
this is not to be shared outside of the

2983
02:00:58,370 --> 02:00:55,139
monastery but most importantly don't get

2984
02:01:00,649 --> 02:00:58,380
too caught up in developing these

2985
02:01:02,750 --> 02:01:00,659
potentials because that's not really the

2986
02:01:04,910 --> 02:01:02,760
point the point isn't like making

2987
02:01:07,430 --> 02:01:04,920
contact with this being or that being or

2988
02:01:12,169 --> 02:01:07,440
this being what is the point well the

2989
02:01:14,270 --> 02:01:12,179
point is to find out if you can stop

2990
02:01:15,530 --> 02:01:14,280
suffering because if you can stop

2991
02:01:18,290 --> 02:01:15,540
suffering

2992
02:01:21,350 --> 02:01:18,300
then you can help other people not

2993
02:01:23,030 --> 02:01:21,360
suffer that's the point the point is we

2994
02:01:24,770 --> 02:01:23,040
live in a world where many many people

2995
02:01:27,530 --> 02:01:24,780
are miserable and they're suffering and

2996
02:01:29,830 --> 02:01:27,540
they're suffering not because of the

2997
02:01:31,910 --> 02:01:29,840
reasons they think and so that creates

2998
02:01:35,450 --> 02:01:31,920
confusion they think they're suffering

2999
02:01:40,250 --> 02:01:37,609
external phenomena isn't matching their

3000
02:01:43,310 --> 02:01:40,260
ex their their expectations but why why

3001
02:01:45,530 --> 02:01:43,320
do we need to why do we need to reduce

3002
02:01:47,209 --> 02:01:45,540
suffering I don't I've never understood

3003
02:01:49,010 --> 02:01:47,219
that about Buddhist tradition about all

3004
02:01:51,649 --> 02:01:49,020
this like serious question is yeah why

3005
02:01:53,209 --> 02:01:51,659
is that such the fixated point that like

3006
02:01:55,189 --> 02:01:53,219
oh you got to stop suffering so you can

3007
02:01:56,570 --> 02:01:55,199
help other people stop suffering for me

3008
02:01:59,570 --> 02:01:56,580
suffering has brought me the greatest

3009
02:02:02,330 --> 02:01:59,580
insight about my capabilities my life my

3010
02:02:04,189 --> 02:02:02,340
tolerance my empathy why is it that we

3011
02:02:05,570 --> 02:02:04,199
have to focus on not suffering I've

3012
02:02:07,010 --> 02:02:05,580
never understood yeah I love the

3013
02:02:09,109 --> 02:02:07,020
question I mean and I'll try to answer

3014
02:02:11,270 --> 02:02:09,119
it as best I can I could be wrong

3015
02:02:13,250 --> 02:02:11,280
one distinction that's super important

3016
02:02:16,609 --> 02:02:13,260
is the distinction between pain and

3017
02:02:18,229 --> 02:02:16,619
suffering so pain there's nothing in as

3018
02:02:19,850 --> 02:02:18,239
far as I'm aware on Buddhism like we're

3019
02:02:21,109 --> 02:02:19,860
gonna make you stop

3020
02:02:23,870 --> 02:02:21,119
hurting

3021
02:02:26,089 --> 02:02:23,880
you have a body your body is subject to

3022
02:02:29,570 --> 02:02:26,099
old age disease and death

3023
02:02:31,669 --> 02:02:29,580
so there's not much there that's that's

3024
02:02:34,390 --> 02:02:31,679
the that's

3025
02:02:39,109 --> 02:02:34,400
Ativan but uh

3026
02:02:42,109 --> 02:02:39,119
suffering in in this sense is not like

3027
02:02:43,790 --> 02:02:42,119
the pain of getting yourself to go

3028
02:02:45,589 --> 02:02:43,800
jogging or the rejection you might

3029
02:02:46,430 --> 02:02:45,599
experience as an artist or all those

3030
02:02:50,330 --> 02:02:46,440
things

3031
02:02:52,310 --> 02:02:50,340
this is a deeper problem with and so in

3032
02:02:55,189 --> 02:02:52,320
Buddhism the first Noble Truth is they

3033
02:02:58,850 --> 02:02:55,199
call it is there is

3034
02:03:02,629 --> 02:02:58,860
suffering now not life is suffering this

3035
02:03:05,870 --> 02:03:02,639
gets mistranslated there is suffering so

3036
02:03:07,850 --> 02:03:05,880
the uh duka is what it's what it's

3037
02:03:10,790 --> 02:03:07,860
called now this translates into wobbly

3038
02:03:12,830 --> 02:03:10,800
wheel is at least right so basically

3039
02:03:14,510 --> 02:03:12,840
it's saying there's an experience of

3040
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:14,520
reality that most of us are having which

3041
02:03:19,070 --> 02:03:17,520
is akin to being on a wagon or a bike

3042
02:03:20,990 --> 02:03:19,080
that doesn't have enough air in the

3043
02:03:24,050 --> 02:03:21,000
tires everything here is wobbly things

3044
02:03:26,390 --> 02:03:24,060
don't work out you things don't meet

3045
02:03:28,250 --> 02:03:26,400
your expectations you're going to get

3046
02:03:31,070 --> 02:03:28,260
stuck in traffic things just really

3047
02:03:33,050 --> 02:03:31,080
aren't working out this is just the

3048
02:03:35,390 --> 02:03:33,060
nature of reality that we're in right

3049
02:03:40,010 --> 02:03:35,400
now and so you

3050
02:03:42,050 --> 02:03:40,020
uh this not working out Depends for for

3051
02:03:45,649 --> 02:03:42,060
a sense that things aren't working out

3052
02:03:48,830 --> 02:03:45,659
you have to basically construct an

3053
02:03:51,530 --> 02:03:48,840
identity that has built into it what you

3054
02:03:54,109 --> 02:03:51,540
think working out is what it looks like

3055
02:03:57,649 --> 02:03:54,119
what it is so that sort of the

3056
02:04:02,149 --> 02:03:57,659
the center of the problem here is that

3057
02:04:05,930 --> 02:04:02,159
you have become attached to

3058
02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:05,940
uh itself oh this is me and that me is

3059
02:04:10,070 --> 02:04:07,679
supposed to help you navigate this

3060
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:10,080
wobbly wheel and that you create the

3061
02:04:14,089 --> 02:04:12,480
sense of self so that you can justify or

3062
02:04:15,410 --> 02:04:14,099
navigate the fact that life doesn't work

3063
02:04:16,370 --> 02:04:15,420
out the way you want to look well no

3064
02:04:18,290 --> 02:04:16,380
usually what you're doing is you're

3065
02:04:20,570 --> 02:04:18,300
protecting this thing so you've you

3066
02:04:22,310 --> 02:04:20,580
you've invented imaginary friend this is

3067
02:04:24,950 --> 02:04:22,320
you this is my name my social security

3068
02:04:26,810 --> 02:04:24,960
number my career my job what's in my

3069
02:04:28,490 --> 02:04:26,820
Twitter bio or my tender buyer or

3070
02:04:33,470 --> 02:04:28,500
whatever I like dogs I like to go to the

3071
02:04:36,109 --> 02:04:33,480
beach I love music and I uh one day I'll

3072
02:04:37,910 --> 02:04:36,119
have a Ferrari and I'm gonna retire I

3073
02:04:40,250 --> 02:04:37,920
want to get good at golf league the list

3074
02:04:42,890 --> 02:04:40,260
goes on and on for so many people you

3075
02:04:46,310 --> 02:04:42,900
know this this thing this thing right

3076
02:04:47,870 --> 02:04:46,320
and the more you have within that

3077
02:04:48,530 --> 02:04:47,880
it's like you go to have to eat with

3078
02:04:50,930 --> 02:04:48,540
someone

3079
02:04:53,689 --> 02:04:50,940
and some people like there like it's

3080
02:04:56,470 --> 02:04:53,699
insane how specific they get don't like

3081
02:04:58,850 --> 02:04:56,480
I only want three grains of salt

3082
02:05:01,010 --> 02:04:58,860
the fish should be in the center of my

3083
02:05:05,689 --> 02:05:01,020
playoff the more of those conditions you

3084
02:05:07,609 --> 02:05:05,699
have in your own life for for happiness

3085
02:05:08,510 --> 02:05:07,619
for you to like achieve happiness the

3086
02:05:10,189 --> 02:05:08,520
more miserable you're going to be

3087
02:05:12,890 --> 02:05:10,199
because those conditions will not be met

3088
02:05:14,870 --> 02:05:12,900
so theoretically if we start removing

3089
02:05:18,470 --> 02:05:14,880
those conditions

3090
02:05:20,870 --> 02:05:18,480
um then maybe we'll begin to discover we

3091
02:05:22,910 --> 02:05:20,880
don't really need that much to the the

3092
02:05:26,510 --> 02:05:22,920
the this thing that we're experiencing

3093
02:05:29,629 --> 02:05:26,520
that we call suffering uh is is not a

3094
02:05:33,229 --> 02:05:29,639
permanent condition but one more based

3095
02:05:36,169 --> 02:05:33,239
on a concept of the self that isn't

3096
02:05:38,089 --> 02:05:36,179
accurate and so Gom is the name for

3097
02:05:41,870 --> 02:05:38,099
meditation and Tibetan Buddhism

3098
02:05:44,930 --> 02:05:41,880
that means uh

3099
02:05:46,669 --> 02:05:44,940
becoming familiar with so this is let's

3100
02:05:49,129 --> 02:05:46,679
figure out what the [\h__\h] we are to start

3101
02:05:50,990 --> 02:05:49,139
off with like what's underneath all

3102
02:05:52,729 --> 02:05:51,000
those things that that finally makes

3103
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:52,739
sense to me so what I'm hearing from you

3104
02:05:57,890 --> 02:05:54,480
and it kind of finally makes sense to me

3105
02:06:01,070 --> 02:05:57,900
I don't think the message is alleviate

3106
02:06:04,330 --> 02:06:01,080
you're suffering the message is by

3107
02:06:08,450 --> 02:06:04,340
alleviate by alleviating your suffering

3108
02:06:10,250 --> 02:06:08,460
you can see more clearly what you are or

3109
02:06:12,350 --> 02:06:10,260
what you can be or what you're becoming

3110
02:06:14,270 --> 02:06:12,360
and all of the above so yeah because

3111
02:06:15,830 --> 02:06:14,280
it's not about suffering then if what

3112
02:06:17,390 --> 02:06:15,840
you're saying is the that's been my

3113
02:06:18,890 --> 02:06:17,400
misinterpretation because all you guys

3114
02:06:21,109 --> 02:06:18,900
ever say are you [\h__\h] Buddhist guys

3115
02:06:22,430 --> 02:06:21,119
or whatever you are always say oh must

3116
02:06:24,350 --> 02:06:22,440
alleviate suffering I'm like what's

3117
02:06:26,570 --> 02:06:24,360
wrong with suffering yeah okay but what

3118
02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:26,580
you're saying is through doing that that

3119
02:06:32,089 --> 02:06:29,280
there is a Clarity or purification of of

3120
02:06:34,129 --> 02:06:32,099
what or who you really are or can or can

3121
02:06:38,410 --> 02:06:34,139
become all of the above is that correct

3122
02:06:46,209 --> 02:06:40,850
this is not an add-on

3123
02:06:50,530 --> 02:06:46,219
that you already are which is so

3124
02:06:54,229 --> 02:06:50,540
you are fundamentally good you're

3125
02:06:56,830 --> 02:06:54,239
whatever human being is is pretty much

3126
02:07:01,310 --> 02:06:56,840
the same everyone's pretty much the same

3127
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:01,320
you're me I'm you you're me I'm you but

3128
02:07:06,229 --> 02:07:03,360
we get so caught up in that

3129
02:07:09,290 --> 02:07:06,239
mask or the defense mechanisms which are

3130
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:09,300
very refined in in very hypnotic and

3131
02:07:14,149 --> 02:07:11,520
very intense that suddenly we find

3132
02:07:16,430 --> 02:07:14,159
ourselves like engaged in this

3133
02:07:19,250 --> 02:07:16,440
dramatic game of Make-Believe with

3134
02:07:21,229 --> 02:07:19,260
identities that we've just invented and

3135
02:07:23,030 --> 02:07:21,239
so there's so much suffering there that

3136
02:07:25,250 --> 02:07:23,040
all the wars are because of this like

3137
02:07:27,169 --> 02:07:25,260
all the conflict in the world is

3138
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:27,179
completely related to I'm defending my

3139
02:07:30,169 --> 02:07:29,040
[\h__\h] from you you're defending your ship

3140
02:07:31,970 --> 02:07:30,179
from me

3141
02:07:34,810 --> 02:07:31,980
a lot of people carry a lot of guilt

3142
02:07:37,669 --> 02:07:34,820
that they're guilt that tortures them

3143
02:07:40,030 --> 02:07:37,679
torturous guilt you're so unhappy about

3144
02:07:41,689 --> 02:07:40,040
decisions you made in the past

3145
02:07:44,209 --> 02:07:41,699
and

3146
02:07:46,669 --> 02:07:44,219
or or where you think your life is going

3147
02:07:49,550 --> 02:07:46,679
it's like okay I guess the best way to

3148
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:49,560
describe it is this and for all my

3149
02:07:53,149 --> 02:07:51,360
like deep Buddhist people out there

3150
02:07:54,410 --> 02:07:53,159
anyone who's interested in this I would

3151
02:07:58,089 --> 02:07:54,420
recommend

3152
02:08:00,350 --> 02:07:58,099
inside L.A Dharma Moon

3153
02:08:02,750 --> 02:08:00,360
romdos.org chogum Trump or rinpochet

3154
02:08:04,609 --> 02:08:02,760
please take what I'm saying with a grain

3155
02:08:06,589 --> 02:08:04,619
of [\h__\h] salt I'm probably messing it

3156
02:08:09,729 --> 02:08:06,599
up and I'm sorry this is my own personal

3157
02:08:11,930 --> 02:08:09,739
where I'm at right now with it but okay

3158
02:08:14,510 --> 02:08:11,940
have you ever

3159
02:08:16,430 --> 02:08:14,520
had an awful night where you [\h__\h] up

3160
02:08:19,609 --> 02:08:16,440
maybe you got in a bad fight with your

3161
02:08:22,430 --> 02:08:19,619
partner you know you just let me think

3162
02:08:24,589 --> 02:08:22,440
no never no no what are you talking

3163
02:08:25,729 --> 02:08:24,599
about but okay but you wake up in the

3164
02:08:29,030 --> 02:08:25,739
morning

3165
02:08:30,950 --> 02:08:29,040
and it's like before your your that app

3166
02:08:33,050 --> 02:08:30,960
of how much you [\h__\h] up the night

3167
02:08:36,410 --> 02:08:33,060
before it loads into your Consciousness

3168
02:08:38,810 --> 02:08:36,420
you wake up it's the best day ever right

3169
02:08:40,609 --> 02:08:38,820
it is you wake up and it's like ah and

3170
02:08:44,570 --> 02:08:40,619
then it hits you and then bam it hits

3171
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:44,580
you so that this is amazing that's what

3172
02:08:49,990 --> 02:08:45,599
you are

3173
02:08:53,629 --> 02:08:50,000
but you've added on to that this story

3174
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:53,639
and usually the story is not happy it's

3175
02:08:59,330 --> 02:08:57,360
a terrible story and and it and it goes

3176
02:09:00,589 --> 02:08:59,340
on and on and on and on and on about who

3177
02:09:01,850 --> 02:09:00,599
you are and why you're where you're at

3178
02:09:03,950 --> 02:09:01,860
usually it's because of the mistakes you

3179
02:09:05,450 --> 02:09:03,960
made and blah blah but it gets even

3180
02:09:07,089 --> 02:09:05,460
deeper than that I mean we're talking

3181
02:09:10,850 --> 02:09:07,099
about the way that you're interpreting

3182
02:09:12,649 --> 02:09:10,860
language like you look at like letters

3183
02:09:15,830 --> 02:09:12,659
and your brain immediately will turn

3184
02:09:17,810 --> 02:09:15,840
those into words like so like there is

3185
02:09:21,290 --> 02:09:17,820
theoretically

3186
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:21,300
something that is not touched by any of

3187
02:09:24,709 --> 02:09:23,280
that and in Buddhism that very

3188
02:09:27,890 --> 02:09:24,719
confusingly for a lot of people is

3189
02:09:31,550 --> 02:09:27,900
called emptiness emptiness or I believe

3190
02:09:33,470 --> 02:09:31,560
in the no soul

3191
02:09:35,390 --> 02:09:33,480
um there's no soul you don't have a soul

3192
02:09:37,310 --> 02:09:35,400
we don't have souls and everyone's like

3193
02:09:39,010 --> 02:09:37,320
what the [\h__\h] you [\h__\h] soul I got the

3194
02:09:42,169 --> 02:09:39,020
most beautiful souls

3195
02:09:46,310 --> 02:09:42,179
[\h__\h] but the point is it's like

3196
02:09:49,430 --> 02:09:46,320
if we had Souls if you had an unchanging

3197
02:09:53,149 --> 02:09:49,440
Soul if you had an eternal unchanging

3198
02:09:54,890 --> 02:09:53,159
Soul you would be [\h__\h] because the

3199
02:09:58,729 --> 02:09:54,900
best thing about

3200
02:10:01,870 --> 02:09:58,739
life has changed like uh

3201
02:10:04,910 --> 02:10:01,880
I was reading Marcus Aurelius or some

3202
02:10:06,169 --> 02:10:04,920
stoic philosopher who said the universe

3203
02:10:09,649 --> 02:10:06,179
loves change

3204
02:10:12,790 --> 02:10:09,659
and so that's what that's what we are

3205
02:10:16,070 --> 02:10:12,800
we're interdependent ever-changing

3206
02:10:17,629 --> 02:10:16,080
ever-changing non-differentiated

3207
02:10:20,570 --> 02:10:17,639
uh

3208
02:10:22,010 --> 02:10:20,580
reality and we share a soul if you want

3209
02:10:23,689 --> 02:10:22,020
to say even though there's no soul we

3210
02:10:26,089 --> 02:10:23,699
share the emptiness we're sharing it

3211
02:10:28,669 --> 02:10:26,099
together and so that Emptiness is the

3212
02:10:31,129 --> 02:10:28,679
root of compassion it's like once you

3213
02:10:33,709 --> 02:10:31,139
start tuning into that reality once you

3214
02:10:37,129 --> 02:10:33,719
experience that which is considered Sky

3215
02:10:39,649 --> 02:10:37,139
mind or like it's like uh

3216
02:10:41,570 --> 02:10:39,659
all of a sudden like thinking that you

3217
02:10:44,089 --> 02:10:41,580
have a shitty

3218
02:10:46,490 --> 02:10:44,099
tiny little filthy apartment and finding

3219
02:10:52,790 --> 02:10:46,500
a secret door that opens up into this

3220
02:10:55,790 --> 02:10:52,800
beautiful massive infinite empty clear

3221
02:10:57,649 --> 02:10:55,800
space and and that's what you are that's

3222
02:10:59,270 --> 02:10:57,659
what you are oh I will not keep rambling

3223
02:11:01,010 --> 02:10:59,280
about Buddhism God forgive me I'm so

3224
02:11:02,990 --> 02:11:01,020
sorry to all my Buddhist teachers out

3225
02:11:05,750 --> 02:11:03,000
there and all the teachers that's the

3226
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:05,760
shame it's coming in I don't know but I

3227
02:11:08,209 --> 02:11:07,199
mean just what what you know you're

3228
02:11:11,330 --> 02:11:08,219
talking about growth you're talking

3229
02:11:12,709 --> 02:11:11,340
about growing and evolving you're

3230
02:11:14,390 --> 02:11:12,719
talking about not pushing right like

3231
02:11:16,070 --> 02:11:14,400
you're good where you are but you are

3232
02:11:18,169 --> 02:11:16,080
talking about growing about change

3233
02:11:20,330 --> 02:11:18,179
you're talking about because being one

3234
02:11:22,550 --> 02:11:20,340
thing realizing another right that's a

3235
02:11:24,770 --> 02:11:22,560
difference that's a change okay Tim

3236
02:11:26,870 --> 02:11:24,780
here's a famous Tim Leary quote I love

3237
02:11:29,930 --> 02:11:26,880
it lift up your legs and Float

3238
02:11:33,410 --> 02:11:29,940
Downstream that's the idea imagine being

3239
02:11:35,570 --> 02:11:33,420
in a river and it's actually in um in

3240
02:11:37,310 --> 02:11:35,580
kayaking that if you ever go canoeing or

3241
02:11:38,870 --> 02:11:37,320
white water rafting they're like do not

3242
02:11:41,570 --> 02:11:38,880
try to stand up

3243
02:11:43,010 --> 02:11:41,580
in this water it is moving so fast even

3244
02:11:44,870 --> 02:11:43,020
if it doesn't seem like a lot of water

3245
02:11:47,089 --> 02:11:44,880
if you try to stand up you're gonna you

3246
02:11:48,530 --> 02:11:47,099
could get stuck in a rock you're gonna

3247
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:48,540
fall it's gonna push you over you're

3248
02:11:52,129 --> 02:11:49,920
gonna tumble

3249
02:11:53,930 --> 02:11:52,139
you've got a life jacket on just lean

3250
02:11:56,930 --> 02:11:53,940
back and let the river do what it does

3251
02:11:58,850 --> 02:11:56,940
let it John London line as well 80 years

3252
02:12:01,129 --> 02:11:58,860
ago today on the day that we are

3253
02:12:04,550 --> 02:12:01,139
recording this George Harrison's born

3254
02:12:07,250 --> 02:12:04,560
okay he he learned so much about

3255
02:12:09,589 --> 02:12:07,260
spirituality spent his the last part of

3256
02:12:12,350 --> 02:12:09,599
his life ascending and and getting to

3257
02:12:14,750 --> 02:12:12,360
understand this when he died there's a

3258
02:12:17,689 --> 02:12:14,760
Martin Scorsese documentary about his

3259
02:12:19,370 --> 02:12:17,699
life that's terrific and it's his family

3260
02:12:21,229 --> 02:12:19,380
member is talking about when he died

3261
02:12:24,410 --> 02:12:21,239
physically died

3262
02:12:26,270 --> 02:12:24,420
the room lit up and that something

3263
02:12:29,450 --> 02:12:26,280
dramatic happened

3264
02:12:30,890 --> 02:12:29,460
do you buy that oh yeah and do you do

3265
02:12:33,290 --> 02:12:30,900
you think that George Harrison comes

3266
02:12:35,810 --> 02:12:33,300
back around or is he floating around and

3267
02:12:37,370 --> 02:12:35,820
didn't leave or does he incarnate again

3268
02:12:39,290 --> 02:12:37,380
or what do you think

3269
02:12:42,050 --> 02:12:39,300
okay so I was asking my meditation

3270
02:12:45,649 --> 02:12:42,060
teacher like about choghum Champa like

3271
02:12:47,330 --> 02:12:45,659
like you know this is a a rinpochet

3272
02:12:49,069 --> 02:12:47,340
would meaning that it's a they

3273
02:12:54,169 --> 02:12:49,079
reincarnate they keep coming back on

3274
02:12:58,550 --> 02:12:56,689
end human suffering

3275
02:13:00,229 --> 02:12:58,560
spread the Dharma

3276
02:13:02,930 --> 02:13:00,239
but yeah I asked him like where is he

3277
02:13:05,629 --> 02:13:02,940
now and he said well children Trump has

3278
02:13:08,810 --> 02:13:05,639
said when you when you die the term for

3279
02:13:13,270 --> 02:13:08,820
it is you're in the action which is a

3280
02:13:19,310 --> 02:13:16,729
Harrison George Harrison still ripples

3281
02:13:21,649 --> 02:13:19,320
the present moment if you any Like You

3282
02:13:23,629 --> 02:13:21,659
Hear My Sweet Lord everywhere you go

3283
02:13:27,050 --> 02:13:23,639
here to Whole Foods

3284
02:13:29,450 --> 02:13:27,060
uh as far as like

3285
02:13:30,830 --> 02:13:29,460
or All Things Must Pass By the way yeah

3286
02:13:33,770 --> 02:13:30,840
yeah

3287
02:13:36,709 --> 02:13:33,780
really

3288
02:13:42,050 --> 02:13:36,719
like I do believe in reincarnation I do

3289
02:13:44,750 --> 02:13:42,060
I do think that like we probably uh

3290
02:13:46,430 --> 02:13:44,760
come back around to get it right

3291
02:13:47,689 --> 02:13:46,440
yeah and I know that like a lot of

3292
02:13:49,129 --> 02:13:47,699
people are thinking well if you don't

3293
02:13:49,970 --> 02:13:49,139
have a soul how do you reincarnate I

3294
02:13:52,189 --> 02:13:49,980
mean I think that's a really good

3295
02:13:54,530 --> 02:13:52,199
question and and so generally it's

3296
02:13:56,209 --> 02:13:54,540
considered a momentum like it's not

3297
02:14:00,370 --> 02:13:56,219
really a soul as much as like a kind of

3298
02:14:02,930 --> 02:14:00,380
karmic momentum that has a tendency to

3299
02:14:06,530 --> 02:14:02,940
uh when the causes and conditions are

3300
02:14:08,689 --> 02:14:06,540
right to appear in the world so you are

3301
02:14:12,290 --> 02:14:08,699
a tendency you're a momentum and so when

3302
02:14:14,030 --> 02:14:12,300
you die that tendency or momentum it uh

3303
02:14:18,830 --> 02:14:14,040
goes through this intermediary State

3304
02:14:23,689 --> 02:14:21,550
depending on your

3305
02:14:25,729 --> 02:14:23,699
projections it sort of determines what

3306
02:14:29,390 --> 02:14:25,739
your next life is going to be so

3307
02:14:32,930 --> 02:14:29,400
but you know what's in Greek mythology

3308
02:14:35,569 --> 02:14:32,940
the river lathe Leaf l-a-t-h-e you drink

3309
02:14:38,810 --> 02:14:35,579
from it and you forget everything you

3310
02:14:40,850 --> 02:14:38,820
were before it's wiped out completely so

3311
02:14:43,609 --> 02:14:40,860
it seems like our hard drives get

3312
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:43,619
formated formatted in between lives but

3313
02:14:48,430 --> 02:14:45,840
some essential nature like an essential

3314
02:14:51,169 --> 02:14:48,440
quality of of

3315
02:14:54,910 --> 02:14:51,179
which is the representation of your

3316
02:14:58,669 --> 02:14:54,920
karmic predicament it ripples into time

3317
02:15:00,830 --> 02:14:58,679
and then it will find birth somehow and

3318
02:15:02,330 --> 02:15:00,840
that tendency actually determines what

3319
02:15:04,370 --> 02:15:02,340
your next life will be that's what they

3320
02:15:05,750 --> 02:15:04,380
say if you want to know what your next

3321
02:15:07,609 --> 02:15:05,760
life is going to be look at what your

3322
02:15:10,010 --> 02:15:07,619
current life is and you can pretty much

3323
02:15:12,169 --> 02:15:10,020
figure out where you're headed

3324
02:15:14,149 --> 02:15:12,179
well look man I've appreciated the

3325
02:15:16,069 --> 02:15:14,159
conversation uh I know that we're gonna

3326
02:15:18,410 --> 02:15:16,079
spend all night extending this

3327
02:15:19,790 --> 02:15:18,420
conversation I think for the show I just

3328
02:15:21,589 --> 02:15:19,800
you know thank you so much it's been

3329
02:15:23,750 --> 02:15:21,599
cool thanks for having me yeah man it's

3330
02:15:25,910 --> 02:15:23,760
been so cool to kind of hear over this

3331
02:15:27,109 --> 02:15:25,920
amount of time where your mind is at

3332
02:15:29,149 --> 02:15:27,119
with these things I always learn

3333
02:15:30,649 --> 02:15:29,159
something new I really appreciate it and

3334
02:15:32,450 --> 02:15:30,659
I'm really glad you guys get got to

3335
02:15:35,510 --> 02:15:32,460
finally meet up and talk on this oh my

3336
02:15:38,030 --> 02:15:35,520
God yeah it's so cool every time I talk

3337
02:15:39,709 --> 02:15:38,040
to Duncan I swear to God I'm going to

3338
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:39,719
start meditating and try to get into

3339
02:15:43,970 --> 02:15:42,000
this and you know you got to give me the

3340
02:15:46,689 --> 02:15:43,980
pep talk after we get off the air here I

3341
02:15:50,149 --> 02:15:46,699
will I will give you the opposite yeah

3342
02:15:52,729 --> 02:15:50,159
you know one of my favorite books by it

3343
02:15:54,290 --> 02:15:52,739
starts off saying if you don't get it if

3344
02:15:57,050 --> 02:15:54,300
you can avoid getting into this stuff

3345
02:15:58,850 --> 02:15:57,060
don't get into it because once you start

3346
02:16:01,370 --> 02:15:58,860
once you get into the rabbit oh it's

3347
02:16:02,750 --> 02:16:01,380
you're not coming out you're all you

3348
02:16:05,990 --> 02:16:02,760
have to go through I'm good with that

3349
02:16:07,609 --> 02:16:06,000
yeah all right cool uh well it's no big

3350
02:16:08,990 --> 02:16:07,619
deal it's very easy and let me I'm sorry

3351
02:16:11,569 --> 02:16:09,000
to be neurotic let me just reiterate

3352
02:16:15,890 --> 02:16:11,579
something wrong no no is in case I'm a

3353
02:16:17,390 --> 02:16:15,900
fool I'm a I I don't have a like

3354
02:16:20,030 --> 02:16:17,400
disciplined meditation practice I

3355
02:16:24,589 --> 02:16:20,040
meditate once or twice a week and I'm

3356
02:16:26,089 --> 02:16:24,599
not a a a a teacher of spirituality not

3357
02:16:28,430 --> 02:16:26,099
that I seem like one I don't want to

3358
02:16:30,890 --> 02:16:28,440
like seem like I even think that but I

3359
02:16:32,570 --> 02:16:30,900
don't want to confuse anybody so if some

3360
02:16:36,589 --> 02:16:32,580
of the [\h__\h] I was yapping about

3361
02:16:38,629 --> 02:16:36,599
today appeals to you please explore like

3362
02:16:41,270 --> 02:16:38,639
some of the things I mentioned and and

3363
02:16:44,270 --> 02:16:41,280
go deeper language real quick I don't

3364
02:16:47,030 --> 02:16:44,280
want to confuse it yeah I'll put yetis

3365
02:16:49,310 --> 02:16:47,040
man it's this I've learned this from

3366
02:16:51,230 --> 02:16:49,320
just training martial Athletics and just

3367
02:16:52,910 --> 02:16:51,240
from other things there's always going

3368
02:16:54,709 --> 02:16:52,920
to be somebody that needs to hear it

3369
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:54,719
from you there's always going to be

3370
02:16:57,709 --> 02:16:56,160
somebody that talks above you and

3371
02:16:59,450 --> 02:16:57,719
somebody that talks below you right but

3372
02:17:01,490 --> 02:16:59,460
there's always going to be somebody that

3373
02:17:03,349 --> 02:17:01,500
talks your language you never have to

3374
02:17:05,030 --> 02:17:03,359
say that all you do is communicating

3375
02:17:06,410 --> 02:17:05,040
what you know at this time right mistake

3376
02:17:07,429 --> 02:17:06,420
that okay their fault right and there's

3377
02:17:09,049 --> 02:17:07,439
gonna be a number of people that need to

3378
02:17:10,549 --> 02:17:09,059
I needed to understand it the way you

3379
02:17:12,349 --> 02:17:10,559
said it you were explaining to me

3380
02:17:13,929 --> 02:17:12,359
because of my question so thank you yeah

3381
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:13,939
thank you

3382
02:17:18,290 --> 02:17:16,559
it's a real honor to get to hang out

3383
02:17:21,770 --> 02:17:18,300
with I'm a big fan I've been trying not

3384
02:17:24,709 --> 02:17:21,780
to quote I think it was Sheraton but

3385
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:24,719
every year uh you know hundreds of

3386
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:29,040
babies do never if I have so few had so

3387
02:17:34,610 --> 02:17:33,120
much to tell but could say so little

3388
02:17:36,410 --> 02:17:34,620
following this little weaponized

3389
02:17:38,089 --> 02:17:36,420
presentation of Jeremy Corbell George

3390
02:17:40,250 --> 02:17:38,099
Knapp Dark Horse entertainment and

3391
02:17:42,410 --> 02:17:40,260
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